1827 Penny

[declanwmagee 122]

i dont even know what they look like to find them

D of DEI to a bead

L of HALF to a bead

[Peter 615]

i dont even know what they look like to find them

D of DEI to a bead

L of HALF to a bead

Really is that a variety?

I get calm sea 57 but maybe I'm missing something.

[declanwmagee 122]

i dont even know what they look like to find them

D of DEI to a bead

L of HALF to a bead

Really is that a variety?

I get calm sea 57 but maybe I'm missing something.

Yep - 4 kinds of 1956 ha'penny; crossover mule of Obv 3+4, and Rev C+D, so you get:

3+C F471 - C10 - D of DEI between beads, L of HALF between beads

3+D F473 - R5 - D of DEI between beads, L of HALF to a bead

4+C F474 - R12 - D of DEI to a bead, L of HALF between beads

4+D F475 - R3 - D of DEI to a bead, L of HALF to a bead

Peck doesn't distinguish, they're all 2513 to him.

I've only ever seen 3+C.

Edited February 28, 2011 by declanwmagee

[ski 1]

D of DEI

....its a welsh variety

[argentumandcoins 70]

I assume there is also a big difference with winning an auction and paying immediately compared to waiting for the sellers invioce before paying. I know if I think I've made a steal I bang in the payment before the seller has had time to think about it. Picked up a UNC 1956 1/2d F475 the other day for $5, was on the edge of my seat until it arrived.lol.

Lucky sod. I've never even SEEN one of those 1956 varieties.

One of the dealers who uses this forum has a 473 and 475 on his website.

[Bernie 203]

I assume there is also a big difference with winning an auction and paying immediately compared to waiting for the sellers invioce before paying. I know if I think I've made a steal I bang in the payment before the seller has had time to think about it. Picked up a UNC 1956 1/2d F475 the other day for $5, was on the edge of my seat until it arrived.lol.

Lucky sod. I've never even SEEN one of those 1956 varieties.

One of the dealers who uses this forum has a 473 and 475 on his website.

I believe that the F474 is extremely rare,

[Peckris 579]

i dont even know what they look like to find them

The short answer is this :

One variety has the obverse that is identical to the 1968 (dated 1967) "wide rim" halfpenny; the rim is much wider but also the I of DEI points between two beads instead of at one.

Another variety has the long reverse teeth as on one of the two 1954 reverse types.

There may be other differences, but that's the quick way to spot them.

[argentumandcoins 70]

I assume there is also a big difference with winning an auction and paying immediately compared to waiting for the sellers invioce before paying. I know if I think I've made a steal I bang in the payment before the seller has had time to think about it. Picked up a UNC 1956 1/2d F475 the other day for $5, was on the edge of my seat until it arrived.lol.

Lucky sod. I've never even SEEN one of those 1956 varieties.

One of the dealers who uses this forum has a 473 and 475 on his website.

I believe that the F474 is extremely rare,

That one is in his collection

[ski 1]

1968 (dated 1967) "wide rim" halfpenny

............huh......

i cant get my head round all this bead stuff......give me an easy xxri anyday

[Peckris 579]

1968 (dated 1967) "wide rim" halfpenny

............huh......

i cant get my head round all this bead stuff......give me an easy xxri anyday

If you look at ALL Lizzie halfpenny obverses they will have the same narrow width rim and the I of DEI points to a very obvious bead. Once you see a "1968" halfpenny, the difference is quite clear - the rim is much wider, and the I of DEI to a space just confirms it.

[Gary D 76]

I assume there is also a big difference with winning an auction and paying immediately compared to waiting for the sellers invioce before paying. I know if I think I've made a steal I bang in the payment before the seller has had time to think about it. Picked up a UNC 1956 1/2d F475 the other day for $5, was on the edge of my seat until it arrived.lol.

Lucky sod. I've never even SEEN one of those 1956 varieties.

One of the dealers who uses this forum has a 473 and 475 on his website.

I believe that the F474 is extremely rare,

That one is in his collection

Here's mine

[Accumulator 52]

The 1827 penny arrived and it's actually quite nice in hand:

[RLC35 288]

Accum,

Nice 1827. It's hard to find one as nice as that! Most have a lot of heavy pitting!

[SionGilbey 1]

Accum,

Nice 1827. It's hard to find one as nice as that! Most have a lot of heavy pitting!

The seller has another couple in similar condition!

[azda 979]

Accum,

Nice 1827. It's hard to find one as nice as that! Most have a lot of heavy pitting!

He must be churning them out, does'nt it seem odd that the Same seller would have so many?

The seller has another couple in similar condition!

[davidrj 194]

He must be churning them out, does'nt it seem odd that the Same seller would have so many?

Maybe he went to China for his last holiday!

[Accumulator 52]

Accum,

Nice 1827. It's hard to find one as nice as that! Most have a lot of heavy pitting!

The seller has another couple in similar condition!

Yes I noticed that! This one's a solid VF in my opinion and he originally listed it £650, then later at £550 so quite happy with what I paid in the end.

[Peckris 579]

The 1827 penny arrived and it's actually quite nice in hand:

Yes, very nice!

Accum,

Nice 1827. It's hard to find one as nice as that! Most have a lot of heavy pitting!

The seller has another couple in similar condition!

Ah, but rather more than your bargain coin

[Accumulator 52]

The 1827 penny arrived and it's actually quite nice in hand:

Yes, very nice!

Accum,

Nice 1827. It's hard to find one as nice as that! Most have a lot of heavy pitting!

The seller has another couple in similar condition!

Ah, but rather more than your bargain coin

Yes indeed Peckris!

[ski 1]

If you look at ALL Lizzie halfpenny obverses they will have the same narrow width rim and the I of DEI points to a very obvious bead. Once you see a "1968" halfpenny, the difference is quite clear - the rim is much wider, and the I of DEI to a space just confirms it.

please please please excuse my ignorance and my apologies for going back off track slightly.

these halfpennys are actually dated 1967 but you call em 1968's right, because the i points to a space.

also ive seen pictures here of 4 different reverses of i think 1956 halfpenny, the pics great.....but could someone please talk me through the differences as theyre not so obvious to the untrained eye.

[declanwmagee 122]

Have a look through Page 2 of this very thread, Ski!

[ski 1]

okay i missed that description...thanx

but why a 67 varient is called 68?

[Gary D 76]

okay i missed that description...thanx

but why a 67 varient is called 68?

I must agree as it's the 1st time I've heard it called that. I guess as although 1967 was the last year of mintage minting went on after 1967 to supply demand until 1971. I assume Obv 4 is considered to be post 1967.

[Peckris 579]

okay i missed that description...thanx

but why a 67 varient is called 68?

Sorry, that's not used by everyone in the hobby, perhaps just a few? It's because those didn't appear until 1968, though by then all predecimal coins were dated 1967. And of course the halfpenny was demonetised in 1969, so the appearance of a new variety in 1968 makes it a '1968 halfpenny' Sort of. Sorry if I confused you!

[1949threepence 3,367]

The 1827 penny arrived and it's actually quite nice in hand:

Very, very nice, Accumulator