Chris, may i just ask...

[Master Jmd 80]

I didnt really know where to post this, but may i just ask little questions about pennies that you have for sale...:

1)1853 AEF-EF = does it have lustre?

2)1912 EF = does this one have lustre?

3)1906 GEF = does it retain detail for the hair on edwards head?

4)= Do you have any other pennies that are for sale but are not listed on your for sale list that cost under £74.50?

5)= Do any of the above have any indications of being cleaned?

...i would like to buy a penny, or two, that fits into my sylibus (sp?)(EF - BU with lustre), and i was wondering what would be the best buy for me for under £74.50... ...

edit:

You also have this:

1895 - UNC - Old head unlisted proof? This coin has reflective wonderful fields of the kind that you would see on a proof. Is it a proof, or just one of the first coins struck with new dies?? No books mention it and you will not be disappointed!

Hmm...sounds interesting...spink's catalouge says that proofs exist for most years in the bronze series!

...please do not be upset though if i do not buy from you, i will probably check eBay and other sites over this week to make up my decision...

Edited June 14, 2004 by Master Jmd

[Emperor Oli 0]

I think Chris explicitly states if they have lustre. This would have been more appropriate as a pm, to answer your question.

[Half Penny Jon 0]

You also have this:

1895 - UNC - Old head unlisted proof? This coin has reflective wonderful fields of the kind that you would see on a proof. Is it a proof, or just one of the first coins struck with new dies?? No books mention it and you will not be disappointed!

I have seen that farthing when I was at the coin fair. It has absolutly woinderful fields which are surprisingly mirror like. If you do decide to buy it, you will not ber dissappointed!

[william 0]

Nice coin, I might buy that. Mind you, i will have to wait 16 weeks till i have saved the money. Damn, I probably won't get it then!

[Half Penny Jon 0]

In my opinion, it is definately worth waiting sixteen weeks for! Btw, why do you have to wait for sixteen weeks until you van buy it?

[Emperor Oli 0]

"...until I have saved the money"

[william 0]

Actually, it might be more like 14 or 15. I get £2 every week, and at the moment i don't have much money. I guess I could try and earn extra money somehow, but I probably won't get it in time, it will probably sell quickly won't it?

[Emperor Oli 0]

It's been on there for a good few weeks, maybe even months so it hasn't got much attention. Could you part-exchange something for it?

typo

Edited June 14, 2004 by Emperor Oli

[william 0]

I might, I'll have a look later.

[Master Jmd 80]

Actually, it might be more like 14 or 15. I get £2 every week, and at the moment i don't have much money. I guess I could try and earn extra money somehow, but I probably won't get it in time, it will probably sell quickly won't it?

i managed to squeese out £3 a week from my parent from passing my 11+, i now get £4 a week from my parents, and £1 a week from my grandparents...

[Half Penny Jon 0]

I get a monthly 'allownce' of £20 from my parents and £2 a week from my grand-parents.

[Chris Perkins 228]

1)1853 AEF-EF = does it have lustre?

2)1912 EF = does this one have lustre?

3)1906 GEF = does it retain detail for the hair on edwards head?

4)= Do you have any other pennies that are for sale but are not listed on your for sale list that cost under £74.50?

5)= Do any of the above have any indications of being cleaned?

...i would like to buy a penny, or two, that fits into my sylibus (sp?)(EF - BU with lustre), and i was wondering what would be the best buy for me for under £74.50... ...

1895 - UNC - Old head unlisted proof? This coin has reflective wonderful fields of the kind that you would see on a proof. Is it a proof, or just one of the first coins struck with new dies?? No books mention it and you will not be disappointed!

Hmm...sounds interesting...spink's catalouge says that proofs exist for most years in the bronze series!

...please do not be upset though if i do not buy from you, i will probably check eBay and other sites over this week to make up my decision...

I certainly will be upset if you don't buy from me! You spend all day using my bandwidth, it's the least you could do!

1) The 1853 has no lustre, I would have mentioned. It is a beauty, no doubt the lustre faded just before it came into my possesion!

2) The NEF 1912 has no lustre either, but you can't really go wrong for £6.00

3) The 1906 GEF retains exactly as much hair detail as you would expect from a GEF! There is lots of lustre on the obv, all be it a bit streaky, and as the description says, the rev has just a minute trace of lustre.

4) Yes, I'm preparing a newsletter at the moment. I know there are some more Victorian copper pennies, VF or less, none EF or above I don't think. I do have a very nice darkened UNC 1944 Penny.

5) Of course they don't, or I would have said!

The 1895 Farthing certainly is very prooflike, but it's probably a very early striking with new dies. It couldn't be proved either way, but it's certainly special.

Spend £50+ with me Jmd and I'll knock off 10%.....Or throw in the 1906 for free!

[william 0]

i managed to squeese out £3 a week from my parent from passing my 11+, i now get £4 a week from my parents, and £1 a week from my grandparents...

Your lucky. I didn't get anything for passing my 11+. I don't get anything from my grandparents either!

I get a monthly 'allownce' of £20 from my parents and £2 a week from my grand-parents.

Your lucky too, as i said, i don't get any allowance from my grandparents, and only £2 a week from my parents!

[Sylvester 15]

I never took an 11+! what's that all about?

Unless it's SATS, cos i did those... (if i remember rightly my year [and another one further down] were the first that had to do them in primary, i was in Year 6 at the time, (fourth year as it was when i was there) don't they do them in Year 5 these days?)

I know you do them in Year 9.

I dunno why they do all this year stuff, what was wrong with good old 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc?

Actually that brings in another point...School was confusing for me... At the Infants it was 1st and 2nd, Juniors i went through 1st, 2nd and half of third... then the new head teacher introduced the year 3,4,5 & 6 designations, but my fourth year teacher refused to use them and as he was the deputy head that everyone was afraid of we reverted to the old system of 1-4 whilst the other classes continued the new.

Then came high school and it was Year 7 through to 11.

Then came college and i went back to 1st and 2nd again (although my mates that went to a sixth form refer to these as 12 and 13, although why anyone would go to a sixth form is beyond me, i wanted the hell out of school), anyhow the numbers went back to 1st to 3rd with Uni.

So i frequently use both systems, just incase i confuse you by talking about 3rd year, i don't mean Y3 in mean Y5!

[Master Jmd 80]

I certainly will be upset if you don't buy from me! You spend all day using my bandwidth, it's the least you could do!

1) The 1853 has no lustre, I would have mentioned. It is a beauty, no doubt the lustre faded just before it came into my possesion!

2) The NEF 1912 has no lustre either, but you can't really go wrong for £6.00

3) The 1906 GEF retains exactly as much hair detail as you would expect from a GEF! There is lots of lustre on the obv, all be it a bit streaky, and as the description says, the rev has just a minute trace of lustre.

4) Yes, I'm preparing a newsletter at the moment. I know there are some more Victorian copper pennies, VF or less, none EF or above I don't think. I do have a very nice darkened UNC 1944 Penny.

5) Of course they don't, or I would have said!

The 1895 Farthing certainly is very prooflike, but it's probably a very early striking with new dies. It couldn't be proved either way, but it's certainly special.

Spend £50+ with me Jmd and I'll knock off 10%.....Or throw in the 1906 for free!

Ok thanks, but i will not make any promisses about buying; i have asked colin cooke to show a picture of his 1896 panny for sale, if i am not satisfied then i will probably buy that 1912 H penny with the 1906 penny...

[Master Jmd 80]

I never took an 11+! what's that all about?

Unless it's SATS, cos i did those... (if i remember rightly my year [and another one further down] were the first that had to do them in primary, i was in Year 6 at the time, (fourth year as it was when i was there) don't they do them in Year 5 these days?)

I know you do them in Year 9.

I dunno why they do all this year stuff, what was wrong with good old 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc?

Actually that brings in another point...School was confusing for me... At the Infants it was 1st and 2nd, Juniors i went through 1st, 2nd and half of third... then the new head teacher introduced the year 3,4,5 & 6 designations, but my fourth year teacher refused to use them and as he was the deputy head that everyone was afraid of we reverted to the old system of 1-4 whilst the other classes continued the new.

Then came high school and it was Year 7 through to 11.

Then came college and i went back to 1st and 2nd again (although my mates that went to a sixth form refer to these as 12 and 13, although why anyone would go to a sixth form is beyond me, i wanted the hell out of school), anyhow the numbers went back to 1st to 3rd with Uni.

So i frequently use both systems, just incase i confuse you by talking about 3rd year, i don't mean Y3 in mean Y5!

The 11+ is what students have taken since the late/early 50's...what it is is that you take your '11+', and if you pass then you can get into a grammar school, otherwise you have to go a secondary or a private school...i think that the total mark for the 11+ is 150 (not sure), i got 111, and the school that i now go to required 110 for the pass mark in 2001 when i took my 11+...

SAT's are basicly tests of the three main subjects (English, Maths and Science), and it will allow ones teacher(s) to see how well you are doing in school...I think it is year 6 and 9, i think there is an exam called the KAT's in year 5...

Nowadays its; Infantry, Y1, Y2, Y3, Y4, Y5, Y6, 11+ test, Y7, Y8, Y9, Y10, Y11, GCSE test, Y12, Y13, A-Level test, University/Collage/Leave school

[william 0]

The 11+ is what students have taken since the late/early 50's...what it is is that you take your '11+', and if you pass then you can get into a grammar school, otherwise you have to go a secondary or a private school...i think that the total mark for the 11+ is 150 (not sure), i got 111, and the school that i now go to required 110 for the pass mark in 2001 when i took my 11+...

In the 11+ you just have to do two verbal reasoning tests, each with 85 questions.

If i remember rightly, the pass mark for the grammar school I am going to go to was 223 and i got 249, that was in 2003 when I took it...

[Master Jmd 80]

If i remember rightly, the pass mark for the grammar school I am going to go to was 223 and i got 249, that was in 2003 when I took it...

223? 249? things are done far differently where i live

[william 0]

How many questions did you have to do for it MJMD?

[Emperor Oli 0]

11+'s are internal examinations so they are not regulated by any exam board like AQA or OCR. For mine I had to do one verbal reasoning paper, an english paper and a science and maths combined paper.

JMD, they have existed looong before the fifties. My grandad sat one back in the twenties! There must have been some form of exam after their inception, to regulate the flow of students. After all, it is to give the more intelligent children a mor fitting education and if there was no test, how would the school find out who was, and who was not intelligent?

[Sylvester 15]

Well gentlemen i never took an 11+, i went to a local comprehensive school which was a 20 minute walk from my house... 2 minutes from my grandmother's and to be honest it was nicer than the grammar school which was a 20 minute bus ride away.

All things taken into consideration a school i could walk to free of charge and a grammar school that cost 20p (later 30p) in bus fare every day i know which i'd pick. As did 99% of my class mates. Only one person i can think of out of my year in the juniors went to a grammar school.

[Chris Perkins 228]

JMD, they have existed looong before the fifties. My grandad sat one back in the twenties! There must have been some form of exam after their inception, to regulate the flow of students. After all, it is to give the more intelligent children a mor fitting education and if there was no test, how would the school find out who was, and who was not intelligent?

A written test is not always a good method of measuring who is intelligent and who isn't. You cannot say that all people that pass the 11+ are more intelligent than all the people that didn't. In my view the test simply tells which children are the most academic, and those children have the option of going to grammar school.

Not to say that most children don't get a perfectly good education, full of all the right opportunities in a comprehensive education.

[Master Jmd 80]

and a grammar school that cost 20p (later 30p) in bus fare every day i know which i'd pick.

god thats cheap!!!

...in year seven, my bus fair home was 35p

...in year eight, my bus fair home was 40p

...now (year nine), my bus fair home is 50p

EVERY DAY!!!

[Half Penny Jon 0]

Grammer schools are right for some people but at the end of the day, it is you and only you who can determine how sucessful you are. I can understand some people's concerns about public schools and I can see that it is the unfortunate majority who will be wiping the streets with their own failure. There is however the sucessful minority who do not muck around and who just get on with it and get great results. I would rather go to my school than a comprehensive because the staff are absolutly great, and you can reach your potential sucessfully without paying for it.

[Master Jmd 80]

Grammer schools are right for some people but at the end of the day, it is you and only you who can determine how sucessful you are. I can understand some people's concerns about public schools and I can see that it is the unfortunate majority who will be wiping the streets with their own failure. There is however the sucessful minority who do not muck around and who just get on with it and get great results. I would rather go to my school than a comprehensive because the staff are absolutly great, and you can reach your potential sucessfully without paying for it.

Yes, exactly...the nearest comprehencive school to my house is a school where the teachers are beaten up by the pupils because they did not let them take drugs during lessons...(seriously, i have had a tour around there)!!!

Edited June 15, 2004 by Master Jmd