Ebay regular scam/unknowledgeable listings

[Peter 615]

Apart from the spade gaming tokens that so often get incorrectly described I have noticed this 1562 Liz 1 pewter lump appearing on a regular basis.

I emailed the seller and he replied (in text speak) "Sir,I certainly do not know what one is saying and quite frankly old chap I do not understand your concern.It has not been described as an original and I thought £10 a reasonable start for me to dispose of"

It made over £50

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270764539236&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

At one time it was possible to email the buyer but I suppose at the end of the dqay ...a fool and his money...

[£400 for a Penny ? 0]

No returns accepted.

[TomGoodheart 403]

I think describing it as 'silver' a 'sixpence' and the period as 'Tudor' are all effectively fraudulent as it is none of those. But since ebay has changed everything to make this type of listing easier and unreportable I presume they either condone such behaviour or simply don't care.

[Peckris 579]

Apart from the spade gaming tokens that so often get incorrectly described I have noticed this 1562 Liz 1 pewter lump appearing on a regular basis.

I emailed the seller and he replied (in text speak) "Sir,I certainly do not know what one is saying and quite frankly old chap I do not understand your concern.It has not been described as an original and I thought £10 a reasonable start for me to dispose of"

It made over £50

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270764539236&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

At one time it was possible to email the buyer but I suppose at the end of the dqay ...a fool and his money...

I don't think there's a court in the land that would accept that description as anything other than a representation of 'originality', even without a specific statement to the effect. And the metal content is an outright lie.

[£400 for a Penny ? 0]

or simply don't care.

In the modern corporate style, they will spend huge amounts of money on campaigns to notify us of their 'ethical standards' and how much they 'value their customers' whilst with the other hand doing whatever they can get away with to make a buck.

The only people they will take any notice of is lawyers because they can hurt them in the wallet. Mere coin collecters are flys on their windscreen.

There, that's a nice crabby start to a Sunday......

[Cerbera100 0]

Apart from the spade gaming tokens that so often get incorrectly described I have noticed this 1562 Liz 1 pewter lump appearing on a regular basis.

I emailed the seller and he replied (in text speak) "Sir,I certainly do not know what one is saying and quite frankly old chap I do not understand your concern.It has not been described as an original and I thought £10 a reasonable start for me to dispose of"

It made over £50

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270764539236&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

At one time it was possible to email the buyer but I suppose at the end of the dqay ...a fool and his money...

I don't think there's a court in the land that would accept that description as anything other than a representation of 'originality', even without a specific statement to the effect. And the metal content is an outright lie.

Indeed - replace 'Silver' with pewter, and 'Tudor period' with 1960's (or later!) you get something approaching the truth!

I acknowledge what Peter says about caveat emptor, however if that's a 14 year old kid who's saved his (or her!) pocket money for their first big spend, they'll soon abandon numismatics if they get stung like that!

[Peckris 579]

Apart from the spade gaming tokens that so often get incorrectly described I have noticed this 1562 Liz 1 pewter lump appearing on a regular basis.

I emailed the seller and he replied (in text speak) "Sir,I certainly do not know what one is saying and quite frankly old chap I do not understand your concern.It has not been described as an original and I thought £10 a reasonable start for me to dispose of"

It made over £50

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270764539236&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

At one time it was possible to email the buyer but I suppose at the end of the dqay ...a fool and his money...

I don't think there's a court in the land that would accept that description as anything other than a representation of 'originality', even without a specific statement to the effect. And the metal content is an outright lie.

Indeed - replace 'Silver' with pewter, and 'Tudor period' with 1960's (or later!) you get something approaching the truth!

I acknowledge what Peter says about caveat emptor, however if that's a 14 year old kid who's saved his (or her!) pocket money for their first big spend, they'll soon abandon numismatics if they get stung like that!

Quite. Which makes eBay's dereliction of responsibility all the more irksome.

[seuk 85]

Here's another one I've seen a few times...:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Silver-Anglo-Saxon-Coin-/120740469523?pt=UK_Coins_BritishHammered_RL&hash=item1c1cb15b13

And here's were you can buy it at £1.60

http://www.museumreproductions.co.uk/images/no354.jpg

As far I know all these 'museumreproductions' are marked with a large R, however it can easily be removed.

[Cerbera100 0]

Well... he offers a money-back guarantee...

Q: hi there this coin doesnt look real, can u offer authenticity,rgds

A: hi i no the man that found all of the coins that are on this site with his metal detector and non of them are fake if so you will get you money back

though a little grammar wouldn't go amiss!

[seuk 85]

His auction description reads: No returns accepted

-Anyone who knows how easy it is to have a paypal payment refunded, if you report an item as fake after receiving it?

He didn't post this one:

Q: This coin is a reproduction! See: http://www.museumreproductions.co.uk/images/no354.jpg - same dies and flan which is impossible for a hammered coin. Best regards, Peter

- seuk880

A: well maybe so i wouldnt no myself one has just sold for 40 pound identical to this one

- 09riverwearvalley

[Cerbera100 0]

His auction description reads: No returns accepted

-Anyone who knows how easy it is to have a paypal payment refunded, if you report an item as fake after receiving it?

He didn't post this one:

Q: This coin is a reproduction! See: http://www.museumreproductions.co.uk/images/no354.jpg - same dies and flan which is impossible for a hammered coin. Best regards, Peter

- seuk880

A: well maybe so i wouldnt no myself one has just sold for 40 pound identical to this one

- 09riverwearvalley

Ridiculously simple! Paypal has virtually no vendor protection! To the point where unless the onus is on the vendor to prove that its real or arrived in one piece/at all!

[seuk 85]

In this case there will be a tracking code which is what paypal asks for if the item is not received.

I've never had a paypal case going beyond that point so I don't know what actually happens when fx an item is fake. My guess is that the buyer would have to return it and provide a tracking code to prove it?

[AJWcoins 1]

Here's another one I've seen a few times...:

http://cgi.ebay.co.u...=item1c1cb15b13

And here's were you can buy it at £1.60

http://www.museumrep...mages/no354.jpg

As far I know all these 'museumreproductions' are marked with a large R, however it can easily be removed.

Ouch, £46 is quite a result considering the origins of said coin. So how many times have you seen that one on eBay?

[seuk 85]

http://www.museumreproductions.co.uk/ have many different 'coins' for sale - Can't remember if I've seen this particular coin on ebay before but I've seen a few others - some even with the R mark clearly visible.

Does anyone know of other reproduction companies? (Westair) It would be great if somewhere one could view the entire output of these reproduction as I guess their products change over the years.

There are of course also the chinese fakes. But it's seems to me that few British coins have been produced at least compared to other countries: http://www.jinghuashei.com/html/category/class_459.html

[Cerbera100 0]

In this case there will be a tracking code which is what paypal asks for if the item is not received.

I've never had a paypal case going beyond that point so I don't know what actually happens when fx an item is fake. My guess is that the buyer would have to return it and provide a tracking code to prove it?

Not if the buyer doesnt request or pay recorded/special delivery (two cases in have in mind sold for £8 and £13 so not worth £3 for recorded)... No tracking code = seller didnt post it in PayPals eyes!

[TomGoodheart 403]

A number of contacts and I have reported listings like that where the seller is obviously listing a modern repro but descibing it as genuine. It's rare anything happens from the ebay end.

You can (and I have) also list such things on forgerynetwork.com but if someone is willing to fork out real coin money for a replica then they are unlikely to know about that as a reference resource.

It used to be possible to send a message to bidders on ebay but ebay stopped that, I think to the detriment of collectors. Now it's a dodgy sellers' market and the same people set up new accounts and sell pewter replicas they claim have been found on a regular basis and nothing gets done about it. Ebay should be ashamed.

[argentumandcoins 70]

A number of contacts and I have reported listings like that where the seller is obviously listing a modern repro but descibing it as genuine. It's rare anything happens from the ebay end.

You can (and I have) also list such things on forgerynetwork.com but if someone is willing to fork out real coin money for a replica then they are unlikely to know about that as a reference resource.

It used to be possible to send a message to bidders on ebay but ebay stopped that, I think to the detriment of collectors. Now it's a dodgy sellers' market and the same people set up new accounts and sell pewter replicas they claim have been found on a regular basis and nothing gets done about it. Ebay should be ashamed.

You have to remember that ebay is a multi-national corporation Tom. Think of it like a terminator "it doesn't feel., it doesn't sleep and it shows no mercy or pity"

Basically the machine that is ebay doesn't give a toss about anything but profit. The only thing that makes them take notice is bad press or the threat of it.

Lying, cheating sellers are ten a penny on there and they will continue to operate until the end of time.

All we can do is to continue (in the vain hope of action) to report offenders to ebay and steer well clear of the ones we know are cheats ourselves.

[Peter 615]

I note that on Colin Cookes forum the shilling boys have been named.

The problem sellers on Ebay either do it on ignorance or sheer scamming.

A couple of the former have withdrawn the items straight away.

I have emailed the "lucky winner" of the 1562 coin.I believe in this case the seller was ignorant although he wasn't going to add anything to his listing.