Flat disc collectors alert!

[argentumandcoins 70]

[azda 979]

Open 3?

[argentumandcoins 70]

Open 3?

A poor one, yes.

[1949threepence 3,367]

Neh, open 3, die number or whatever else. I wouldn't touch a coin in that bad a state. It looks truly awful.

[Peckris 579]

Neh, open 3, die number or whatever else. I wouldn't touch a coin in that bad a state. It looks truly awful.

I remember wasting hours of my life as a schoolboy, peering at an 1865 even worse than that, trying to convince myself it was 1865/3 (it could well have been, but ... )

[argentumandcoins 70]

Neh, open 3, die number or whatever else. I wouldn't touch a coin in that bad a state. It looks truly awful.

As I told my wife when we first met "sometimes you just have to take what you can get pet"

[Rob 3,152]

Neh, open 3, die number or whatever else. I wouldn't touch a coin in that bad a state. It looks truly awful.

As I told my wife when we first met "sometimes you just have to take what you can get pet"

Can we assume that statement refers to the stunted growth 6?

Edited July 7, 2011 by Rob

[azda 979]

Neh, open 3, die number or whatever else. I wouldn't touch a coin in that bad a state. It looks truly awful.

As I told my wife when we first met "sometimes you just have to take what you can get pet"

11 to 20 known i think i read, probably rarer that the 1903 open 3, so you may be quite correct in your statement John, one sold recently on ebay by alfnail, think it was AVF or less, went for 500-600 quid or there abouts, let us know when its on fleabay

Edited July 7, 2011 by azda

[argentumandcoins 70]

Neh, open 3, die number or whatever else. I wouldn't touch a coin in that bad a state. It looks truly awful.

As I told my wife when we first met "sometimes you just have to take what you can get pet"

Can we assume that statement refers to the stunted growth 6?

It's not that it's a small organ Rob, it's just never played in a Cathedral that big before

[argentumandcoins 70]

Neh, open 3, die number or whatever else. I wouldn't touch a coin in that bad a state. It looks truly awful.

As I told my wife when we first met "sometimes you just have to take what you can get pet"

11 to 20 known i think i read, probably rarer that the 1903 open 3, so you may be quite correct in your statement John, one sold recently on ebay by alfnail, think it was AVF or less, went for 500-600 quid or there abouts, let us know when its on fleabay

It's not mine Dave. It's in an auction.

[Peter 615]

Neh, open 3, die number or whatever else. I wouldn't touch a coin in that bad a state. It looks truly awful.

As I told my wife when we first met "sometimes you just have to take what you can get pet"

11 to 20 known i think i read, probably rarer that the 1903 open 3, so you may be quite correct in your statement John, one sold recently on ebay by alfnail, think it was AVF or less, went for 500-600 quid or there abouts, let us know when its on fleabay

It's not mine Dave. It's in an auction.

I agree with 49.

Regardless of how rare it is I wouldn't touch that.

& some of these "rareities" must be sitting in attics and grannies drawers and even collectors scrap tins.(as was proven on a thread here recently).

[1949threepence 3,367]

I agree with 49.

Regardless of how rare it is I wouldn't touch that.

& some of these "rareities" must be sitting in attics and grannies drawers and even collectors scrap tins.(as was proven on a thread here recently).

Whilst I realise their rarity might make them an attractive proposition to some, for me, they're just not worth sticking in a collection tray.

[argentumandcoins 70]

I agree with 49.

Regardless of how rare it is I wouldn't touch that.

& some of these "rareities" must be sitting in attics and grannies drawers and even collectors scrap tins.(as was proven on a thread here recently).

Whilst I realise their rarity might make them an attractive proposition to some, for me, they're just not worth sticking in a collection tray.

If I didn't have a good example already I would buy it. Trying to assemble an all known type and variety set means you have to take the rough and the smooth on occasion.

I appreciate your point but this poor 63 is worth more than the nice slabbed penny that you bought last month. The determining factors being availability and demand. I doubt that you will find many (if any) open 3's for sale anywhere.

I'd take a poor die 2,3 or 5, slender 3, 1933 etc etc as they are holes in my trays, so if you have any spare you know where to send them!

[azda 979]

I agree with 49.

Regardless of how rare it is I wouldn't touch that.

& some of these "rareities" must be sitting in attics and grannies drawers and even collectors scrap tins.(as was proven on a thread here recently).

Whilst I realise their rarity might make them an attractive proposition to some, for me, they're just not worth sticking in a collection tray.

i emailed the ebay seller alfnail this morning regarding the grade of his 63 open 3, he said it was in Fine grade, it sold for 560 GBP 6 weeks ago

[1949threepence 3,367]

I agree with 49.

Regardless of how rare it is I wouldn't touch that.

& some of these "rareities" must be sitting in attics and grannies drawers and even collectors scrap tins.(as was proven on a thread here recently).

Whilst I realise their rarity might make them an attractive proposition to some, for me, they're just not worth sticking in a collection tray.

If I didn't have a good example already I would buy it. Trying to assemble an all known type and variety set means you have to take the rough and the smooth on occasion.

I appreciate your point but this poor 63 is worth more than the nice slabbed penny that you bought last month. The determining factors being availability and demand. I doubt that you will find many (if any) open 3's for sale anywhere.

I'd take a poor die 2,3 or 5, slender 3, 1933 etc etc as they are holes in my trays, so if you have any spare you know where to send them!

....and you'd be more than welcome to them ~ although I don't think they will include a 1933 !!! I will let you know if I come across any.

I'm sure you're right about the value, but for pure collectors such as myself, it's not really about commercial value.

[declanwmagee 122]

I'm with you on that one, John. I'd rather not have a gap, end of story, which I suppose is the collector in me. The dealer in me shouldn't go near them, but I happily spent a tenner on an 1871 penny well below fine last month. I won't buy holed, verd, or otherwise really horrid, but if it's just good honest wear, then I'll usually have a low punt.

[Rob 3,152]

I prefer to buy things for dealing that would sit happily in the collection if unsold. That way there is always a satisfied customer. For something like this open 3 penny, it would have to be the only available piece for me to take it into my possession. Like a few others, I don't think I could face having it in the trays unless that is, someone is prepared to pay me lots of money for it.

[declanwmagee 122]

Quite agree Rob. Pretty much everything I sell has been in the collection at some point anyway, so I'll only buy a duffer if it's to fill a bona fide gap, like the 1871 Penny was. I was only lax on grade because it was an 1871. 1872 is still a gap, for instance, but it's worth waiting for a nice one. I wouldn't buy one of them under VF+ or so.

I suppose that makes me an upgrading collector. A proper dealer would buy specifically to sell.

[TomGoodheart 403]

As a gap filler and providing it wasn't expensive ... and if it was the sort of thing I collect.

I guess I'd compare it to this:

Cost me £26 and almost a washer. But I only know of one other example. Which made it worth a space in the collection even though I can't ever see myself getting my money back! Which would make me a very poor dealer!

Edited July 8, 2011 by TomGoodheart

[Peckris 579]

I simply do NOT aim to get every damn bronze penny, for the simple reason that certain gaps are unfillable : 1933, 1952, 1953 type 1, 1954. Therefore I took the philosophical view that if a variety is approaching the same degree of rarity - i.e. things like early 1860s die numbers, narrow 3s, numerals from halfpenny dies, etc - then they will remain gaps, in fact there won't even be a gap created for them.

[1949threepence 3,367]

I prefer to buy things for dealing that would sit happily in the collection if unsold. That way there is always a satisfied customer. For something like this open 3 penny, it would have to be the only available piece for me to take it into my possession. Like a few others, I don't think I could face having it in the trays unless that is, someone is prepared to pay me lots of money for it.

Yes. Something like that open 3 1863, I might buy to sell, if it presented as a bargain. But I certainly wouldn't put a flat disc like that in my tray, however rare the type may be.

Nevertheless, I still respect the collector who does go for every type, despite only low grade availability of some. But it's just not for me. We're all different.

I simply do NOT aim to get every damn bronze penny, for the simple reason that certain gaps are unfillable : 1933, 1952, 1953 type 1, 1954. Therefore I took the philosophical view that if a variety is approaching the same degree of rarity - i.e. things like early 1860s die numbers, narrow 3s, numerals from halfpenny dies, etc - then they will remain gaps, in fact there won't even be a gap created for them.

Exactly my point. I've certainly got gaps for 1864, plain and crosslet 4, 1865 ~ 5 over 3, and even up to 1879 narrow date if I can get one in near VF. But there has to be a crossover balance point between quality, price and availability, in which there are practical, as well as aesthetic, limits.

Edited July 8, 2011 by 1949threepence

[Red Riley 2]

I guess we're all different but like Declan I've also just bought a very worn penny - an 1869 this time. Whilst it is very worn, it has no damage to speak of, a reasonable tone and just good honmest wear. As I've said before, a heavily eroded coin tells you more about the contemporary culture and economic condition of a country than a sterile BU specimen ever can.

[azda 979]

Amen to that Derek

[TomGoodheart 403]

Bog standard I presume?

It's from two scans. The colour of the reverse is closer to the obv in real life.

Edited October 29, 2011 by TomGoodheart

[argentumandcoins 70]

Aye, tis the common F42 Richard.