Midlands Coin Fair

[Mat 2]

Did anyone else go yesterday?

It was my first time at that one, a lot of nice material but I did not find anything with enough juice left in it for me to buy. Many of the prices were double, even triple what I would even sell at let alone buy. I cant help thinking some of these dealers are sitting on thier stock for years. I took a few nice rare peices to see if anyone is interested in buying such as P&M shillings and H7 Groats but I was only offered peanuts for them....

[Peter 615]

Did anyone else go yesterday?

It was my first time at that one, a lot of nice material but I did not find anything with enough juice left in it for me to buy. Many of the prices were double, even triple what I would even sell at let alone buy. I cant help thinking some of these dealers are sitting on thier stock for years. I took a few nice rare peices to see if anyone is interested in buying such as P&M shillings and H7 Groats but I was only offered peanuts for them....

I attend a few every year.The 4 bigger ones are Dec,March,June & Sept.

It is a hunt to find decent stuff at the right price but it is there. Decent stuff with clear good prices doesn't exist.It will be snapped up before the fair opens.

Likewise I have seen joe public turn up with some half decent coins and get shafted.

Its a bit of an old pals act and I reckon you will need to get known.

I've sold a few coins and notes there and have done a few trade ins.One particular well known (non internet)dealer

has massive stunning stocks and massive prices.He probably only needs to sell a few per week.

[Red Riley 2]

I attend a few every year.The 4 bigger ones are Dec,March,June & Sept.

It is a hunt to find decent stuff at the right price but it is there. Decent stuff with clear good prices doesn't exist.It will be snapped up before the fair opens.

Likewise I have seen joe public turn up with some half decent coins and get shafted.

Its a bit of an old pals act and I reckon you will need to get known.

I've sold a few coins and notes there and have done a few trade ins.One particular well known (non internet)dealer

has massive stunning stocks and massive prices.He probably only needs to sell a few per week.

I wonder who you're talking about?

I shared a stall at the June Fair and although other dealers do have a snoop round before the show opens, there is literally too much stuff for everything worthwhile to be snapped up, so it's not all doom and gloom. Although prices can appear high it is very much a haggling environment which can mean that decent deals are available.

Edited July 11, 2011 by Red Riley

[Peter 615]

I attend a few every year.The 4 bigger ones are Dec,March,June & Sept.

It is a hunt to find decent stuff at the right price but it is there. Decent stuff with clear good prices doesn't exist.It will be snapped up before the fair opens.

Likewise I have seen joe public turn up with some half decent coins and get shafted.

Its a bit of an old pals act and I reckon you will need to get known.

I've sold a few coins and notes there and have done a few trade ins.One particular well known (non internet)dealer

has massive stunning stocks and massive prices.He probably only needs to sell a few per week.

I wonder who you're talking about?

I shared a stall at the June Fair and although other dealers do have a snoop round before the show opens, there is literally too much stuff for everything worthwhile to be snapped up, so it's not all doom and gloom.

It certainly isn't doom and gloom.The young collector can fill his boots up on stuff that costs 2or3x more on Ebay.I also have got an unused North 1 for £10.Subscribed to Coin news and got loads of old copies FOC.Bought Rotographic publications and many,many coins.One tip though is that the lighting can be awful so plenty of carrots the night before and an illuminated glass will help.

PS going every 3 months enables me to sneek enough £ out of the cash point to throw Mrs Peter off the scent.

Edited July 11, 2011 by Peter

[Colin G. 147]

I couldn't make it Sunday but attend regularly, and have snapped up some bargains, you have to hunt hard and be willing to haggle. It is a back breaker though they definitely need some chairs, I think I am getting old!!

[Peter 615]

I couldn't make it Sunday but attend regularly, and have snapped up some bargains, you have to hunt hard and be willing to haggle. It is a back breaker though they definitely need some chairs, I think I am getting old!!

My wife calls it coin collectors stoop.

A drop of pain relief gel on Sunday evening is called for.

& Colin they supply chairs for us farthing buffs so we can go through the 50p boxes whilst the Penny boys need their bankmanagers to OK some scummy worn "open 3" discs.

[azda 979]

I think someone has been drinking one to many sherberts

[Mat 2]

It certainly is a back breaker, my back was killing me when I got home from it. It’s also a sweat box too, all those high powered tungston lamps everyone uses. One of them even burned my neck while I was sifting through the £2 box (for 20 min). I don't think they have heard of LEDs. It was worth it though, I found a VF 1839 coronet head cent. I was contemplating most of the day over a gF 1854 florin but decided it was just too much.

[1949threepence 3,367]

I was going to attend the June show, but got stymied by a work related issue on the day. Hopefully will go to the September one.

[1949threepence 3,367]

I couldn't make it Sunday but attend regularly, and have snapped up some bargains, you have to hunt hard and be willing to haggle. It is a back breaker though they definitely need some chairs, I think I am getting old!!

My wife calls it coin collectors stoop.

A drop of pain relief gel on Sunday evening is called for.

& Colin they supply chairs for us farthing buffs so we can go through the 50p boxes whilst the Penny boys need their bankmanagers to OK some scummy worn "open 3" discs.

There's one or two on here who'd be interested in those, Peter

[azda 979]

Now Let's see, if you Found a "disc Penny" with a die number under the date, with a value in the 10s of thousands, would it still be a disc and would it then Find a space in the collection tray?

I guess i know the answer for some of you ladies, it obviously would'nt Be given house room due to it being a worn disc penny

[1949threepence 3,367]

Now Let's see, if you Found a "disc Penny" with a die number under the date, with a value in the 10s of thousands, would it still be a disc and would it then Find a space in the collection tray?

I guess i know the answer for some of you ladies, it obviously would'nt Be given house room due to it being a worn disc penny

It would definitely find a space in the buy as a bargain and sell on to buy something else in its place tray. But you're right, Dave, I wouldn't want to look at it every day. I'll leave that to someone else.

"Tens of thousands" ?

Edited July 11, 2011 by 1949threepence

[Rob 3,152]

Now Let's see, if you Found a "disc Penny" with a die number under the date, with a value in the 10s of thousands, would it still be a disc and would it then Find a space in the collection tray?

I guess i know the answer for some of you ladies, it obviously would'nt Be given house room due to it being a worn disc penny

A worn die number penny would find a person with a cheque book to fit the value so that I could fill a hole in the tray with something aesthetically pleasing. Notwithstanding that, I can see that if it is the only example available then needs must if you are trying to complete a series. It would be hypocritical to suggest otherwise as I possess a few unique fuglies.

[azda 979]

I believe a die 4 sold for 10s of thousands, yes Mile, it was also a disc just like the slender 3 disc that sold for 22k, but discs are'nt worth sheeeeet right Mike

[Rob 3,152]

A question for all you penny people.

Do all the pennies with a die number under the date have halfpenny sized numerals or something intermediate or full size characters? The die number 4 penny illustrated in Freeman has a 4mm high 1863 compared to the adjacent 5mm high slender 3 date and the 3mm high halfpenny numerals.

[azda 979]

My personal thought on that Rob is that the only people who could answer that question are the people who have actually got one or have had one to study.

Maybe Bernie Workman or Michael Gouby are the best people to answer that.

[1949threepence 3,367]

I believe a die 4 sold for 10s of thousands, yes Mile, it was also a disc just like the slender 3 disc that sold for 22k, but discs are'nt worth sheeeeet right Mike

Not quite what I said, Dave, if you look

Be honest though. You're a dealer and collector ~ would you really want one of those in your collection tray amongst all the EF's and UNC's ? Or would you as soon sell it on to a specialist who really would appreciate it for what it was, very rare, but very worn out ?

[Peckris 579]

I attend a few every year.The 4 bigger ones are Dec,March,June & Sept.

It is a hunt to find decent stuff at the right price but it is there. Decent stuff with clear good prices doesn't exist.It will be snapped up before the fair opens.

Likewise I have seen joe public turn up with some half decent coins and get shafted.

Its a bit of an old pals act and I reckon you will need to get known.

I've sold a few coins and notes there and have done a few trade ins.One particular well known (non internet)dealer

has massive stunning stocks and massive prices.He probably only needs to sell a few per week.

I wonder who you're talking about?

My question too. Here's my memory of the guys I used to frequent in the 1990s :

Dave Craddock - had some very nice stuff, but a lot of cheaper stuff too

Wayne Nichols - another mixed-bag guy, who could probably exist off his best stuff

Stephen Lockett - an enormous range

Dan ?Daley (the other half of Lockdale) - ditto

Dorset Coins - a lot of modern stuff, but nothing VERY highly priced

Windsor Coins - some nice pieces but generally trading off the lower ends

My first thought is that none of those guys fit the description, but maybe I'm WAY out of date?

[azda 979]

I'm not a dealer Mike, i'm an engineer by trade and cutting metal As we speak

[argentumandcoins 70]

A question for all you penny people.

Do all the pennies with a die number under the date have halfpenny sized numerals or something intermediate or full size characters? The die number 4 penny illustrated in Freeman has a 4mm high 1863 compared to the adjacent 5mm high slender 3 date and the 3mm high halfpenny numerals.

I haven't measured it but the die 4 I posted on here last year looks to have standard sized numerals.

I can get the old man to measure it tomorrow if you wish?

[Rob 3,152]

A question for all you penny people.

Do all the pennies with a die number under the date have halfpenny sized numerals or something intermediate or full size characters? The die number 4 penny illustrated in Freeman has a 4mm high 1863 compared to the adjacent 5mm high slender 3 date and the 3mm high halfpenny numerals.

I haven't measured it but the die 4 I posted on here last year looks to have standard sized numerals.

I can get the old man to measure it tomorrow if you wish?

Could do. Freeman isn't too helpful because the different images in the book aren't to the same scale, but even allowing for that the die number numerals look markedly smaller than the open 3 numerals. I suppose it could be an optical illusion, but I don't think so as all three above are reverse G which should have the same sized exergue.

[argentumandcoins 70]

A question for all you penny people.

Do all the pennies with a die number under the date have halfpenny sized numerals or something intermediate or full size characters? The die number 4 penny illustrated in Freeman has a 4mm high 1863 compared to the adjacent 5mm high slender 3 date and the 3mm high halfpenny numerals.

I haven't measured it but the die 4 I posted on here last year looks to have standard sized numerals.

I can get the old man to measure it tomorrow if you wish?

Could do. Freeman isn't too helpful because the different images in the book aren't to the same scale, but even allowing for that the die number numerals look markedly smaller than the open 3 numerals. I suppose it could be an optical illusion, but I don't think so as all three above are reverse G which should have the same sized exergue.

I'll give him a call A.M. and sort it out.

[argentumandcoins 70]

A question for all you penny people.

Do all the pennies with a die number under the date have halfpenny sized numerals or something intermediate or full size characters? The die number 4 penny illustrated in Freeman has a 4mm high 1863 compared to the adjacent 5mm high slender 3 date and the 3mm high halfpenny numerals.

The 1863 die 4 and open 3 both have the same sized numerals as the standard date. For die 2 and 3 others will have to help (bernie/gary schindler)

[Peter 615]

I attend a few every year.The 4 bigger ones are Dec,March,June & Sept.

It is a hunt to find decent stuff at the right price but it is there. Decent stuff with clear good prices doesn't exist.It will be snapped up before the fair opens.

Likewise I have seen joe public turn up with some half decent coins and get shafted.

Its a bit of an old pals act and I reckon you will need to get known.

I've sold a few coins and notes there and have done a few trade ins.One particular well known (non internet)dealer

has massive stunning stocks and massive prices.He probably only needs to sell a few per week.

I wonder who you're talking about?

My question too. Here's my memory of the guys I used to frequent in the 1990s :

Dave Craddock - had some very nice stuff, but a lot of cheaper stuff too

Wayne Nichols - another mixed-bag guy, who could probably exist off his best stuff

Stephen Lockett - an enormous range

Dan ?Daley (the other half of Lockdale) - ditto

Dorset Coins - a lot of modern stuff, but nothing VERY highly priced

Windsor Coins - some nice pieces but generally trading off the lower ends

My first thought is that none of those guys fit the description, but maybe I'm WAY out of date?

KB coins.....a super copper section but too hot.

[Peckris 579]

I attend a few every year.The 4 bigger ones are Dec,March,June & Sept.

It is a hunt to find decent stuff at the right price but it is there. Decent stuff with clear good prices doesn't exist.It will be snapped up before the fair opens.

Likewise I have seen joe public turn up with some half decent coins and get shafted.

Its a bit of an old pals act and I reckon you will need to get known.

I've sold a few coins and notes there and have done a few trade ins.One particular well known (non internet)dealer

has massive stunning stocks and massive prices.He probably only needs to sell a few per week.

I wonder who you're talking about?

My question too. Here's my memory of the guys I used to frequent in the 1990s :

Dave Craddock - had some very nice stuff, but a lot of cheaper stuff too

Wayne Nichols - another mixed-bag guy, who could probably exist off his best stuff

Stephen Lockett - an enormous range

Dan ?Daley (the other half of Lockdale) - ditto

Dorset Coins - a lot of modern stuff, but nothing VERY highly priced

Windsor Coins - some nice pieces but generally trading off the lower ends

My first thought is that none of those guys fit the description, but maybe I'm WAY out of date?

KB coins.....a super copper section but too hot.

Oh yes! I remember them. I'd also forgotten Carlton Coins, and also ?Ian Richardson?. Plus Michael Beaumont was still alive then too.