Latest Acquisition

[joey 0]

G'day All

Today I acquired this 1806 farthing.It is slabbed by NGC PF64BN CAMEO.It appears to have all the attributes of Peck 1391.As I said I only bought it this morning from the USA,so I may not have it in my hot little hand for a couple of weeks.NGC said this is the only cameo piece of this date NGC has graded.There were two lots of images posted with the coin and have included them as attachments.Any thoughts or ideas anyone has on the "CAMEO" bit would be appreciated.

Regards

[azda 979]

G'day All

Today I acquired this 1806 farthing.It is slabbed by NGC PF64BN CAMEO.It appears to have all the attributes of Peck 1391.As I said I only bought it this morning from the USA,so I may not have it in my hot little hand for a couple of weeks.NGC said this is the only cameo piece of this date NGC has graded.There were two lots of images posted with the coin and have included them as attachments.Any thoughts or ideas anyone has on the "CAMEO" bit would be appreciated.

Regards

The only piece NGC has graded but i'm sure other 3rd grading companies will have graded a similar coin, you can look up population reports for PCGS and CGS, but i have seen a few of these. Still, a nice coin and there is a thread called coin aquisition of the week with 115 pages of latest aquisitions

[Hello17 3]

out of being a kid .

whats a cameo in that case?

[RLC35 288]

G'day All

Today I acquired this 1806 farthing.It is slabbed by NGC PF64BN CAMEO.It appears to have all the attributes of Peck 1391.As I said I only bought it this morning from the USA,so I may not have it in my hot little hand for a couple of weeks.NGC said this is the only cameo piece of this date NGC has graded.There were two lots of images posted with the coin and have included them as attachments.Any thoughts or ideas anyone has on the "CAMEO" bit would be appreciated.

Regards

Great looking Farthing, Joey. Good purchase!

[Chingford 166]

out of being a kid .

whats a cameo in that case?

Cameo is a term used referring to Proof strikes that have a difference in contrast between the portrait, and the surface of the field around the portrait,

When dies are made, the designed incuse areas are sandblasted to give a frosty, non-mirrored appearance, while the fields around the figure are polished to give a mirror-like finish.

John

[seuk 85]

Just got 30+ George III counterfeits

[seuk 85]

Just got 30+ George III counterfeits

Oh posted in the wrong thread - should have been in: Coin aquisition of the week

[ski 1]

hello Hello17......maybe a couple of pics would help.........left coin is a proof, right coin is a cameo proof........ski

Edited August 12, 2011 by ski

[Peckris 579]

hello Hello17......maybe a couple of pics would help.........left coin is a proof, right coin is a cameo proof........ski

Actually the far more common name is "frosted design" proofs. They were introduced here in the 1980 sets after many years of ordinary "mirror finish" proofs. Having said that, very mild frosting can be seen on some George VI proofs (or if not actually frosted, the raised design doesn't actually have the mirror finish of the fields).

[ski 1]

Actually the far more common name is "frosted design" proofs. They were introduced here in the 1980 sets after many years of ordinary "mirror finish" proofs. Having said that, very mild frosting can be seen on some George VI proofs (or if not actually frosted, the raised design doesn't actually have the mirror finish of the fields).

i always preffered the frosted description, cameo just sounds like a bar of soup

am i right in thinking cameo may be an american term for frosted?

[argentumandcoins 70]

Actually the far more common name is "frosted design" proofs. They were introduced here in the 1980 sets after many years of ordinary "mirror finish" proofs. Having said that, very mild frosting can be seen on some George VI proofs (or if not actually frosted, the raised design doesn't actually have the mirror finish of the fields).

i always preffered the frosted description, cameo just sounds like a bar of soup

am i right in thinking cameo may be an american term for frosted?

I think it more than likely comes from the jewellery trade, where a cameo portrait is a raised portrait, on a brooch for example and is usually of a different finish to the rest of the object (usually shells such as cowry or conch).

Whether it was adopted by the Americans for coins or not I could not tell you.

[joey 0]

G'day all

Thanks everyone for their input.Peckris,the GV1 coins you mentioned,in Coincraft,it says that 1937,1950 & 1951 they had proof farthings from sandblasted dies.These were struck to facilitate photography of the coin.I am wondering if coins of an early date with a finish like mine may have been more accidental than planned.I will keep researching and if anyone out there finds out anything more I would love to hear about it.Sorry,I did mean to put this in the new acquisition thread but clicked on the wrong thing.

[bilnic 0]

I think that this topic is useful as a stand-alone item. Perhaps the title could be altered to refer to "frosted relief"?

It is my inderstanding that the "sandblasted dies" refers to a couple of coins of each type only, for the Royal Mint to be able to get decent photographs. My opinion is that, although they exist and should be listed, such items should be shown in small type in any listings - my same comment also refers to any "coin" which did not enter circulation, including proofs. Circulation in large type, NCLT in small.

I have never known the word "cameo" used for a coin before. I believe that the modern proofs with "frosted relief" are produced by treating the incuse part of the dies with a weak acid. On the 1902 frosted proofs, the whole die was treated to give a frosted field as well.

Bill.

[Colin G. 147]

Nice farthing, I saw that one for sale

[Peckris 579]

G'day all

Thanks everyone for their input.Peckris,the GV1 coins you mentioned,in Coincraft,it says that 1937,1950 & 1951 they had proof farthings from sandblasted dies.These were struck to facilitate photography of the coin.I am wondering if coins of an early date with a finish like mine may have been more accidental than planned.I will keep researching and if anyone out there finds out anything more I would love to hear about it.Sorry,I did mean to put this in the new acquisition thread but clicked on the wrong thing.

I think that this topic is useful as a stand-alone item. Perhaps the title could be altered to refer to "frosted relief"?

It is my inderstanding that the "sandblasted dies" refers to a couple of coins of each type only, for the Royal Mint to be able to get decent photographs. My opinion is that, although they exist and should be listed, such items should be shown in small type in any listings - my same comment also refers to any "coin" which did not enter circulation, including proofs. Circulation in large type, NCLT in small.

I have never known the word "cameo" used for a coin before. I believe that the modern proofs with "frosted relief" are produced by treating the incuse part of the dies with a weak acid. On the 1902 frosted proofs, the whole die was treated to give a frosted field as well.

Bill.

Yes, the sandblasted proofs are ultra-rare 'specials', quite distinct from mirror or frosted proofs. They have more in common with the matte proofs of Ed VII but aren't the same.