Unknown coin

[Goki 0]

Hello, and congratulations on this Forum - it truly has a lot of info...

I have this coin, and have no idea what series it is, or what date.

Since I'm NOT a collector, my web searches ended in no results...

Any idea what this is?!?

It has GEORG II D written on the left.

The face is turned right

On the other side of the coin is the Coat of Arms of Great Britain (or so I think it is) - with the lion and the unicorn...

Any kind of info would be more than helpful...

Thanks in advance - Goran...

[Goki 0]

Here's the front side of the coin

[Peckris 579]

Hello, and congratulations on this Forum - it truly has a lot of info...

I have this coin, and have no idea what series it is, or what date.

Since I'm NOT a collector, my web searches ended in no results...

Any idea what this is?!?

It has GEORG II D written on the left.

The face is turned right

On the other side of the coin is the Coat of Arms of Great Britain (or so I think it is) - with the lion and the unicorn...

Any kind of info would be more than helpful...

Thanks in advance - Goran...

Well, it's actually a portrait of George III (based on the Kuchler bust which appeared for the first time on the 1797 "Cartwheel" coppers which were the first machine-produced coins). The reverse, as you say, features the British coat of arms plus royal garter. However it doesn't correspond to any recognised coin type, but may be some kind of medallion, or forgery thereof. Because of the condition it's hard to tell much more.

[Goki 0]

Well, the only thing I know is that it's been in my family for 150 years.

Thanks for the help...

Te thing that surprises me is - why does it say GEORG.II.D if it's a portrait of George 3.

Were there any coins of George II BEFORE he was crowned king?!?

[Peter 615]

I think that is a Typo and you meant George 111.

There were no coins but as Peck says probably a medallion.

It would of made a nice design for a coin.

It maybe frustrating not being able to find information but rest assured it isn't a coin.

[Goki 0]

Thanks for all the info...

As You can see on the pictures, it definitely says:

GEORG.II.D

G.M.BRIT (something) THR

On the back side, under the coat of arms, there are two letters PY.

Any idea what THR and PY stand for?!?

P.S. If You have any links on British medallions - send them...

Thank You once again

[Peckris 579]

Thanks for all the info...

As You can see on the pictures, it definitely says:

GEORG.II.D

G.M.BRIT (something) THR

On the back side, under the coat of arms, there are two letters PY.

Any idea what THR and PY stand for?!?

P.S. If You have any links on British medallions - send them...

Thank You once again

Interesting. That second picture is lighter and clearer than the first you posted. I'm now revising my opinion about it. Looking at the epaulettes or whatever they're called, they do look remarkably similar to those on coins of George II. However, and this is the big problem, he's facing the wrong way. George II should be facing left not right.

All I'm certain of is that it's not a UK coin.

And clearly THR PY is an abbreviation of THREEPENNY

Edited August 14, 2011 by Peckris

[scott 144]

dont the monarchs look a differant way on irish issues?

[bilnic 0]

I think that Ireland is quite possible - but I think that it is probably locally produced "token money" during a shortage of coins and could be anywhere in the British Isles.

I read the legend as GEORGE II etc., which is a clue as a coin would have either GEORGIVS II or GEORGIUS II.

Could you give us the diameter, please, and suggest what metal you think it might be? Sorry that I can't help further, but I'll be watching with interest.

Bill.

[Goki 0]

Observing it closely, I can, with certainty say this:

1) The obverse has a man facing right.

On the left it says "GEORG.II D."

On the right it says "G.M.BRI.FR.THR"

2) The reverse has the coat of arms with the lion and chained unicorn

Under the coat of arms there's a banner that says DIEU ET MON DROIT (DROIT is seen under the unicorn).

Under the banner there are 4-5 letters (... V \ P Y(or F)/)

The coin is very light, with traces of yellow color on it.

The diameter is 22mm or 23mm.

It is OBVIOUS (from the pictures as well) that it is not a perfect quality mint (even the initial circle was not round).

The oddest thing is that around the crest (between the lion and unicorn) the letters are HONI SOIT (which should be HONI SOIT QUI MAL Y PENSE), BUT between the crown and crest, the letters are Q I V (as one can see from the picture)...

That's all I can say as information - I don't have the tools to make accurate weight measurements...

[Peckris 579]

Observing it closely, I can, with certainty say this:

1) The obverse has a man facing right.

On the left it says "GEORG.II D."

On the right it says "G.M.BRI.FR.THR"

2) The reverse has the coat of arms with the lion and chained unicorn

Under the coat of arms there's a banner that says DIEU ET MON DROIT (DROIT is seen under the unicorn).

Under the banner there are 4-5 letters (... V \ P Y(or F)/)

The coin is very light, with traces of yellow color on it.

The diameter is 22mm or 23mm.

It is OBVIOUS (from the pictures as well) that it is not a perfect quality mint (even the initial circle was not round).

The oddest thing is that around the crest (between the lion and unicorn) the letters are HONI SOIT (which should be HONI SOIT QUI MAL Y PENSE), BUT between the crown and crest, the letters are Q I V (as one can see from the picture)...

That's all I can say as information - I don't have the tools to make accurate weight measurements...

"A man" - that's no way to speak of your monarch!

The D.G. (DEI GRATIA) is split by "the man's" head. The rest of it is

M. BRI. (MAGNA BRITANNIA = Great Britain)

FR. (FRANCE)

and the remainder would almost certainly be

ET H.R. (ET HIBERNIA REX = and Ireland, King)

On the Garter, it might be written QVI for QUI - an error has resulted in QIV instead of QVI / QUI

[Goki 0]

"A man" - that's no way to speak of your monarch!

The D.G. (DEI GRATIA) is split by "the man's" head. The rest of it is

M. BRI. (MAGNA BRITANNIA = Great Britain)

FR. (FRANCE)

and the remainder would almost certainly be

ET H.R. (ET HIBERNIA REX = and Ireland, King)

On the Garter, it might be written QVI for QUI - an error has resulted in QIV instead of QVI / QUI

Sorry Peckris - but I'm not from the monarchy...

This coin was on my grand-grandmother's dress (hence the hole in the coin).

Ok - so we definitely cleared the typo...

Any idea of it's value and nomination?!?

Any idea what the small letters on the bottom of the reverse would stand for? PY? The name of the mint, maybe?!?

Thanks very much for the replies!!! This is getting VERY interesting...

[Peckris 579]

"A man" - that's no way to speak of your monarch!

The D.G. (DEI GRATIA) is split by "the man's" head. The rest of it is

M. BRI. (MAGNA BRITANNIA = Great Britain)

FR. (FRANCE)

and the remainder would almost certainly be

ET H.R. (ET HIBERNIA REX = and Ireland, King)

On the Garter, it might be written QVI for QUI - an error has resulted in QIV instead of QVI / QUI

Sorry Peckris - but I'm not from the monarchy...

This coin was on my grand-grandmother's dress (hence the hole in the coin).

Ok - so we definitely cleared the typo...

Any idea of it's value and nomination?!?

Any idea what the small letters on the bottom of the reverse would stand for? PY? The name of the mint, maybe?!?

Thanks very much for the replies!!! This is getting VERY interesting...

No idea what PY would be, maybe someone else here does? Probably not a mint I'd say, as those haven't been included since the milled era.

It looks too worn and damaged to have any value beyond the "interesting", unless it was something extremely rare (and would also have to be a coin, really). It's clearly got family interest, so that's more important I'd say.

BTW I think I can make out BRITT on the obverse, not merely BRI.

[just.me 23]

I think this is most probably German, Brunswick-Luneburg state.

The obverse legend is correct for that of coins of this German state and the reverse is very similar to the reverses used on some of the Thaler and part Thaler pieces from here also.

I would guess it is a token of some sorts and not a coin as the coinage with an obverse portrait and shields/crests were generally silver or gold. The smaller copper issues generally only had monograms and denominations on the obv/rev.

may be another state?

[Peckris 579]

I think this is most probably German, Brunswick-Luneburg state.

The obverse legend is correct for that of coins of this German state and the reverse is very similar to the reverses used on some of the Thaler and part Thaler pieces from here also.

I would guess it is a token of some sorts and not a coin as the coinage with an obverse portrait and shields/crests were generally silver or gold. The smaller copper issues generally only had monograms and denominations on the obv/rev.

may be another state?

Well, that would certainly fit with the Georges being also Electors of Hanover ... but what about the British obverse legend and British Garter on the reverse?

[just.me 23]

I think this is most probably German, Brunswick-Luneburg state.

The obverse legend is correct for that of coins of this German state and the reverse is very similar to the reverses used on some of the Thaler and part Thaler pieces from here also.

I would guess it is a token of some sorts and not a coin as the coinage with an obverse portrait and shields/crests were generally silver or gold. The smaller copper issues generally only had monograms and denominations on the obv/rev.

may be another state?

Well, that would certainly fit with the Georges being also Electors of Hanover ... but what about the British obverse legend and British Garter on the reverse?

Brunswick-Luneburg used the british legend on the obverses of some of their coins and also the british garters.

George Luneburg became George 1st of England in 1714 .

The coinage of Brunswick-Luneburg during the 18th century is very interesting, other Thalers also have the 4 shields the same as those used on the George 2nd Shillings of GB.

[Peckris 579]

I think this is most probably German, Brunswick-Luneburg state.

The obverse legend is correct for that of coins of this German state and the reverse is very similar to the reverses used on some of the Thaler and part Thaler pieces from here also.

I would guess it is a token of some sorts and not a coin as the coinage with an obverse portrait and shields/crests were generally silver or gold. The smaller copper issues generally only had monograms and denominations on the obv/rev.

may be another state?

Well, that would certainly fit with the Georges being also Electors of Hanover ... but what about the British obverse legend and British Garter on the reverse?

Brunswick-Luneburg used the british legend on the obverses of some of their coins and also the british garters.

George Luneburg became George 1st of England in 1714 .

The coinage of Brunswick-Luneburg during the 18th century is very interesting, other Thalers also have the 4 shields the same as those used on the George 2nd Shillings of GB.

Fascinating - I never knew that. And the Anglo-Saxon chumminess persisted I guess, until George V changed the royal name from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor.

[just.me 23]

I stumbled across this state when looking up a few old German coins I had in Krausse, which was very tedious as the smaller denominations amongst a lot of the states are quite similar. When I came to the pages of Bruns-Luden I was quite intrigued with the british resemblence of the coins.

If you have access to an 18c Krausse book, it would be worth a look.

[Goki 0]

I stumbled across this state when looking up a few old German coins I had in Krausse, which was very tedious as the smaller denominations amongst a lot of the states are quite similar. When I came to the pages of Bruns-Luden I was quite intrigued with the british resemblence of the coins.

If you have access to an 18c Krausse book, it would be worth a look.

I looked at the book - unfortunately, nothing there...

If You have found a resemblance, please tell me on what page of the book to look

Thanks to all of you, for the unselfish help...

[just.me 23]

It is the 4th edition of the Stanard Catalogue of World Coins 1701>1800. Pages 312 to 322 have various obverses of George 2nd with the same legend. All portraits face left unlike yours, which is why I think its more likely a medal or such rather than an actual coin? and pages 313, 316, 317, 318 and 321 have the reverses with the Crowned arms with the lion and unicorn supporters.

[just.me 23]

Here are 2 pages I found with the same coin/token as yours, both are in I think German, which I cannot speak, maybe Chris or Azda might help?

vb4.pieppiep.nl/forum/showthread.php?27986-DTM-Onbekende-Munt

kevin.vondsten.nl/vondsten/40207/detect.html?&PAG=19,0#IMG

If you google the 2 pages hopfully they will come up. If anyone could translate the text it might give us more info.

[Nick 329]

Here are 2 pages I found with the same coin/token as yours, both are in I think German, which I cannot speak, maybe Chris or Azda might help?

vb4.pieppiep.nl/forum/showthread.php?27986-DTM-Onbekende-Munt

kevin.vondsten.nl/vondsten/40207/detect.html?&PAG=19,0#IMG

If you google the 2 pages hopfully they will come up. If anyone could translate the text it might give us more info.

Both websites are in Dutch. Go to Google, then select translate from "more" and paste the URL into the box. Google will then translate the page into English.

[Peckris 579]

Here are 2 pages I found with the same coin/token as yours, both are in I think German, which I cannot speak, maybe Chris or Azda might help?

vb4.pieppiep.nl/forum/showthread.php?27986-DTM-Onbekende-Munt

kevin.vondsten.nl/vondsten/40207/detect.html?&PAG=19,0#IMG

If you google the 2 pages hopfully they will come up. If anyone could translate the text it might give us more info.

Both websites are in Dutch. Go to Google, then select translate from "more" and paste the URL into the box. Google will then translate the page into English.

Correction - Google will then translate into a fairly close relative of English

[just.me 23]

I got most of the translation, not much help.

I don't have a Batty book but he seems to have referred to possibly this coin (extract taken from an e-book with no pics )

4175^

O.—Laureate Bust to right,

"Georg.II D.G.M.Bri.F.E.T.H.R."

R.—^The Royal Arms crowned. On a

Garter,"Honi Soit Qiv Maly Pense."On a Ribandbelow,

"Diev et Mon Droit:"At the

bottom,"RE(I.A.V)PF."

Brass.

I dont know anyone with a copy of Batty, possibly someone on here might?

[Peckris 579]

I got most of the translation, not much help.

I don't have a Batty book but he seems to have referred to possibly this coin (extract taken from an e-book with no pics )

4175^

O.—Laureate Bust to right,

"Georg.II D.G.M.Bri.F.E.T.H.R."

I think you may have missed my post above? It's actually most likely GEORG.II D.G. M. BRI(TT). ET H. R.

(GEORG II DEI GRATIA MAGNA BRITANNIA ET HIBERNIA REX)

("George II by the Grace of God, King of Great Britain and Ireland")

That's if it conforms to inscriptions on English coins, and so much of it seems to.

Edited August 20, 2011 by Peckris