Edward the um... 1st or is it 3rd, or even 2nd pennies?

[Red Riley 2]

I have just spent the last hour poring over various books trying to identify these two Mediaeval pennies and have emerged none the wiser and in a very bad temper. I would be extremely grateful if someone would just have a quick look at them and tell me into which of the thousands of varieties these (rather worn) pennies fall.

I know the answer is probably to consult North but I haven't got a copy and have never seen one for sale.

Please help me!

Here's the first;

[Red Riley 2]

Here's the second;

[Rob 3,228]

I'll hazard a guess and say the first is class 10, but which sub-class I wouldn't like to commit myself. That's based on the crown detail which is bifoliate, whereas the earlier types are trifoliate. The second looks later - at a guess class 15 based on the shape of the h and the left leaning spearhead and fleurs.

[Red Riley 2]

I'll hazard a guess and say the first is class 10, but which sub-class I wouldn't like to commit myself. That's based on the crown detail which is bifoliate, whereas the earlier types are trifoliate. The second looks later - at a guess class 15 based on the shape of the h and the left leaning spearhead and fleurs.

Thanks Rob. I have now tracked down both volumes of North, but they ain't cheap! Still, guess I only have to get them once.

[Colin G. 147]

I'll hazard a guess and say the first is class 10, but which sub-class I wouldn't like to commit myself. That's based on the crown detail which is bifoliate, whereas the earlier types are trifoliate. The second looks later - at a guess class 15 based on the shape of the h and the left leaning spearhead and fleurs.

Thanks Rob. I have now tracked down both volumes of North, but they ain't cheap! Still, guess I only have to get them once.

Then you have the fun of trying to understand them

[£400 for a Penny ? 0]

Thanks Rob. I have now tracked down both volumes of North, but they ain't cheap! Still, guess I only have to get them once.

How much ?

Picked mine up for less than £15 on one of my raids on the unsuspecting booksellers of the South East....

[1887jubilee 37]

Here's the second;

I reckon the 2nd is 10c-f based on the legend EDWAR R ANGL DNS HYB

I FIND THE BEST GUIDE FOR THESE IS THE GALATA GUIDE TO THE PENNIES OF EDWARD I & II £20 AND A LOT MORE READABLE THAN SPINK, NORTH, OR WREN. EVEN WHEN YOU HAVE READ THEM ALL IT IS NOT EASY.

[1887jubilee 37]

I have just spent the last hour poring over various books trying to identify these two Mediaeval pennies and have emerged none the wiser and in a very bad temper. I would be extremely grateful if someone would just have a quick look at them and tell me into which of the thousands of varieties these (rather worn) pennies fall.

I know the answer is probably to consult North but I haven't got a copy and have never seen one for sale.

Please help me!

Here's the first;

The more I look at this one the more it looks like 10c-f crown 2 The drapery is particularly noticable, closed e late s bifoliate crown with very small spears,no punctuation in or after the legend, see Galata guide.

[1887jubilee 37]

Here's the second;

I reckon the 2nd is 10c-f based on the legend EDWAR R ANGL DNS HYB

I FIND THE BEST GUIDE FOR THESE IS THE GALATA GUIDE TO THE PENNIES OF EDWARD I & II £20 AND A LOT MORE READABLE THAN SPINK, NORTH, OR WREN. EVEN WHEN YOU HAVE READ THEM ALL IT IS NOT EASY.

I would add the reverse has straight sided Ns unbarred and closed C with a straight bar. this isn't listed after class 9

[Peter 615]

Here's the second;

I reckon the 2nd is 10c-f based on the legend EDWAR R ANGL DNS HYB

I FIND THE BEST GUIDE FOR THESE IS THE GALATA GUIDE TO THE PENNIES OF EDWARD I & II £20 AND A LOT MORE READABLE THAN SPINK, NORTH, OR WREN. EVEN WHEN YOU HAVE READ THEM ALL IT IS NOT EASY.

I would add the reverse has straight sided Ns unbarred and closed C with a straight bar. this isn't listed after class 9

A very honest appraisal and comment "it is not easy"

Once past the mint the fun starts..I also use Coincraft 2000 and Rotographics Englands striking history.Cut coins even more fun!!!!

[Red Riley 2]

Thanks everyone. That has at least staved off the immediate requirement giving me a little breathing space to track down more books on the subject. I used Coincraft 1997 and Spink's; the photographs in the former just look like round(ish) blobs and the latter just doesn't go into sufficient detail.

More expense...

[Peter 615]

Thanks everyone. That has at least staved off the immediate requirement giving me a little breathing space to track down more books on the subject. I used Coincraft 1997 and Spink's; the photographs in the former just look like round(ish) blobs and the latter just doesn't go into sufficient detail.

More expense...

The Rotographic striking History is very cheap.North 1 I paid £10 (new) at the Midland....should be over £40.Galata and Wren are also cheapish.

The jury is still out on some of my pennies.

[Red Riley 2]

Thanks Rob. I have now tracked down both volumes of North, but they ain't cheap! Still, guess I only have to get them once.

How much ?

Picked mine up for less than £15 on one of my raids on the unsuspecting booksellers of the South East....

The ones I saw were £40 and £95 Vols. 1 and 2 respectively.

[bilnic 0]

Thanks Rob. I have now tracked down both volumes of North, but they ain't cheap! Still, guess I only have to get them once.

How much ?

Picked mine up for less than £15 on one of my raids on the unsuspecting booksellers of the South East....

The ones I saw were £40 and £95 Vols. 1 and 2 respectively.

Message sent about a considerably cheaper deal.

Bill.