Wonder what we'll see on ebay shortly

[azda 979]

At a guess

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2217r.jpg (Unc 440 GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2220r.jpg (Unc or near so 500GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2675r.jpg (peck, your coin has gone, wayyyyyy less than what they were initially selling it for, OBV next link) price 580 GBP

http://www.londoncoi...e/134/L2675.jpg (REV OF ABOVE)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2222r.jpg (1874 Penny 380 GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2668r.jpg (1873 Penny 350 GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2223r.jpg (1874 H Penny 260 GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2218r.jpg (1866 Penny 280 GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2140r.jpg (1788 Halfpenny Pattern by Droz in Brown Gilt P966 200 GBP)

These are but a few i'll expect to see on the bay in due course.........Eyes peeled ladies

Edited September 8, 2011 by azda

[Generic Lad 25]

I actually really like the halfpenny pattern, its a shame that there are so many lovely pattern coins that are usually ignored by most collectors due to their high prices. Its interesting to think about how the familiar coins in your pocket could have turned out quite different if it wasn't for bureaucratic processes at the mint.

Though, I really hate attempting to find patterns online, because apparently now pattern is equivalent to "hideous fantasy piece" (like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ireland-1910-Pure-Copper-Retro-Pattern-Proof-Crown-/290544845673?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item43a5d28369 )

[Rob 3,152]

I actually really like the halfpenny pattern, its a shame that there are so many lovely pattern coins that are usually ignored by most collectors due to their high prices. Its interesting to think about how the familiar coins in your pocket could have turned out quite different if it wasn't for bureaucratic processes at the mint.

Though, I really hate attempting to find patterns online, because apparently now pattern is equivalent to "hideous fantasy piece" (like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ireland-1910-Pure-Copper-Retro-Pattern-Proof-Crown-/290544845673?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item43a5d28369 )

The prices are to a large extent the result of ignorance based on perception due to collectors failing to do due diligence. In many instances the prices are less than the sums paid for uncirculated currency pieces which in turn is down to the larger collector base. I think patterns are wonderful things with designs that can be artistically quite imaginative. The most I have paid for a George III copper pattern halfpenny is £1250 which compares very favourably with say the several thousand that would be required to buy an 1862 bun head halfpenny with a die letter beside the lighthouse in comparable grade - if you could find one. And if you think that is comparing chalk with cheese, the decimal patterns of the 1850s would again cost less with only a couple of very attractive and desirable pieces commanding more.

[Peter 615]

I actually really like the halfpenny pattern, its a shame that there are so many lovely pattern coins that are usually ignored by most collectors due to their high prices. Its interesting to think about how the familiar coins in your pocket could have turned out quite different if it wasn't for bureaucratic processes at the mint.

Though, I really hate attempting to find patterns online, because apparently now pattern is equivalent to "hideous fantasy piece" (like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ireland-1910-Pure-Copper-Retro-Pattern-Proof-Crown-/290544845673?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item43a5d28369 )

The prices are to a large extent the result of ignorance based on perception due to collectors failing to do due diligence. In many instances the prices are less than the sums paid for uncirculated currency pieces which in turn is down to the larger collector base. I think patterns are wonderful things with designs that can be artistically quite imaginative. The most I have paid for a George III copper pattern halfpenny is £1250 which compares very favourably with say the several thousand that would be required to buy an 1862 bun head halfpenny with a die letter beside the lighthouse in comparable grade - if you could find one. And if you think that is comparing chalk with cheese, the decimal patterns of the 1850s would again cost less with only a couple of very attractive and desirable pieces commanding more.

I have a few modern proofs but they aren't my thing.Peck,Montague etc spent considerable time and resource on patterns but I tend to skip over these pages.

Maybe we graduate onto proofs or patterns as most young collectors have to start on cheap currency coins....probably I won't graduate and stick with currency.Even when I sell a NF gothic florin on Ebay I still regard it as its spending power over the years,what it has purchased,how many times it has changed hands and even today its bullion value as scrap silver.

A collectable pattern has sat in a tray smiling prettily at its owner saying "you can look ,but don't touch"

Maybe that is why I prefer the real thing to plastic.

[Rob 3,152]

I much prefer patterns with their alternative designs than say a proof of a currency type even if the sharper detail on the proof highlights the design qualities. I guess it's a variation on collecting works of art. There are many unadopted, but very attractive designs such as the 1848 Godless florin with three obverses and three reverses. The adopted obverse was the best in my opinion, but my preferred reverse would have been the quatrefoil type.

Edited September 8, 2011 by Rob

[azda 979]

I've been at my job now a year (through an agency) and yesterday i went and asked HR about a fulltime contract with them. After a year they can take me on without having to pay a huge fee to the agency, the sound i got was favourable and because we are really busy right now it was the best time to ask. With that in mind my income will shoot up by nearly 1000 euros a month (take home). If all goes well i'll hopefully by sometime next year be in a better position to start looking at top end coins and Scottish hammered has been a small area of interest to me along with hammered gold and commonwealth coins.

For now i shall just be looking until the right time comes along, hopefully in the not to distant future..

[Nick 329]

At a guess

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2217r.jpg (Unc 440 GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2220r.jpg (Unc or near so 500GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2675r.jpg (peck, your coin has gone, wayyyyyy less than what they were initially selling it for, OBV next link) price 580 GBP

http://www.londoncoi...e/134/L2675.jpg (REV OF ABOVE)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2222r.jpg (1874 Penny 380 GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2668r.jpg (1873 Penny 350 GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2223r.jpg (1874 H Penny 260 GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2218r.jpg (1866 Penny 280 GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2140r.jpg (1788 Halfpenny Pattern by Droz in Brown Gilt P966 200 GBP)

These are but a few i'll expect to see on the bay in due course.........Eyes peeled ladies

And of course they'll all be choice UNC, full lustre and undervalued.

[azda 979]

At a guess

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2217r.jpg (Unc 440 GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2220r.jpg (Unc or near so 500GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2675r.jpg (peck, your coin has gone, wayyyyyy less than what they were initially selling it for, OBV next link) price 580 GBP

http://www.londoncoi...e/134/L2675.jpg (REV OF ABOVE)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2222r.jpg (1874 Penny 380 GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2668r.jpg (1873 Penny 350 GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2223r.jpg (1874 H Penny 260 GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2218r.jpg (1866 Penny 280 GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2140r.jpg (1788 Halfpenny Pattern by Droz in Brown Gilt P966 200 GBP)

These are but a few i'll expect to see on the bay in due course.........Eyes peeled ladies

And of course they'll all be choice UNC, full lustre and undervalued.

Lol, naturally and with prooflike fields, although only one will need a slight helping hand and this is the best we've EVER seen etc etc, our records show blah blah blah

Edited September 8, 2011 by azda

[Red Riley 2]

At a guess

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2217r.jpg (Unc 440 GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2220r.jpg (Unc or near so 500GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2675r.jpg (peck, your coin has gone, wayyyyyy less than what they were initially selling it for, OBV next link) price 580 GBP

http://www.londoncoi...e/134/L2675.jpg (REV OF ABOVE)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2222r.jpg (1874 Penny 380 GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2668r.jpg (1873 Penny 350 GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2223r.jpg (1874 H Penny 260 GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2218r.jpg (1866 Penny 280 GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2140r.jpg (1788 Halfpenny Pattern by Droz in Brown Gilt P966 200 GBP)

These are but a few i'll expect to see on the bay in due course.........Eyes peeled ladies

You won't see them all, because I've got one of them!

[Peter 615]

There are enough collectors who love assurance from a page of Ebay waffle rather than risk a live auction.

Overgrading is a personal thing,but most educated collectors look through the grade.TPG coins sometimes fall short of

their stated grade...indeed some appear to exceed and vary also between grading houses.

Shill bidding happens on Ebay...I can assure you it also happens in Auction houses...(a good friend is a fine art auctionner).

At the end of the day all the London coins listed are decent and I look forward to seeing the shinanigans unfold

[azda 979]

At a guess

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2217r.jpg (Unc 440 GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2220r.jpg (Unc or near so 500GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2675r.jpg (peck, your coin has gone, wayyyyyy less than what they were initially selling it for, OBV next link) price 580 GBP

http://www.londoncoi...e/134/L2675.jpg (REV OF ABOVE)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2222r.jpg (1874 Penny 380 GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2668r.jpg (1873 Penny 350 GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2223r.jpg (1874 H Penny 260 GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2218r.jpg (1866 Penny 280 GBP)

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2140r.jpg (1788 Halfpenny Pattern by Droz in Brown Gilt P966 200 GBP)

These are but a few i'll expect to see on the bay in due course.........Eyes peeled ladies

You won't see them all, because I've got one of them!

Which one Derek?

[azda 979]

There are enough collectors who love assurance from a page of Ebay waffle rather than risk a live auction.

Overgrading is a personal thing,but most educated collectors look through the grade.TPG coins sometimes fall short of

their stated grade...indeed some appear to exceed and vary also between grading houses.

Shill bidding happens on Ebay...I can assure you it also happens in Auction houses...(a good friend is a fine art auctionner).

At the end of the day all the London coins listed are decent and I look forward to seeing the shinanigans unfold

Agreed, they are decent coins, a few with a lot of lustre, which is normallyl what our friend tends to go for. Just curious (if he's bought any) at what premium will he try and sell them for. Saying that, he might not have got any, but its definately what he tends to go for, the pattern was cheap enough for him to make a few bob i think.

Edited September 8, 2011 by azda

[Red Riley 2]

Which one Derek?

The 1868. Lovely coin in the hand.

[Nick 329]

There are enough collectors who love assurance from a page of Ebay waffle rather than risk a live auction.

Overgrading is a personal thing,but most educated collectors look through the grade.TPG coins sometimes fall short of

their stated grade...indeed some appear to exceed and vary also between grading houses.

Shill bidding happens on Ebay...I can assure you it also happens in Auction houses...(a good friend is a fine art auctionner).

At the end of the day all the London coins listed are decent and I look forward to seeing the shinanigans unfold

It appears to me that CGS UK are becoming even stricter on grading, especially on 20th century coins. I think I'd have been pretty disappointed if this were my coin and it came back as only EF70.

[azda 979]

Which one Derek?

The 1868. Lovely coin in the hand.

Yup, nice coin. I have my eye on a little rarity at the moment to, don't wanna say just yet as it might alert ermmmmm others. Will let you know and show next week IF i get it or NOT.

Very cryptic eh :rolleyes:I can say however that Gouby has it as R5 and very rare in high grade

Edited September 8, 2011 by azda

[Mat 2]

There are enough collectors who love assurance from a page of Ebay waffle rather than risk a live auction.

Overgrading is a personal thing,but most educated collectors look through the grade.TPG coins sometimes fall short of

their stated grade...indeed some appear to exceed and vary also between grading houses.

Shill bidding happens on Ebay...I can assure you it also happens in Auction houses...(a good friend is a fine art auctionner).

At the end of the day all the London coins listed are decent and I look forward to seeing the shinanigans unfold

I have not visited the legislation for a while so do not quote me, however when in trading standards I dealt with a few complaints on shill bidding. It is actually permitted in certain circumstances, I believe it has to be done by the auctioneer himself only, and it can only be to generate the very first bid providing it is BELOW the vendor's reserve (that’s the key in the legality).

It is very very common in property auctions, the auctioneer will point to a vacant space in the room to generate the first bid, as opposed to continually lowering the opening bid until a real bid is placed.

The legislation is not straight forward on this, it is a combination of legislation on auctions and an interpretation from one of the sections from the Consumer Protection From Unfair Regualtions 2008 Act.

The above may not actually be considered as a 'shill' bid, I do not know.

[TomGoodheart 403]

Agreed, they are decent coins, a few with a lot of lustre, which is normallyl what our friend tends to go for. Just curious (if he's bought any) at what premium will he try and sell them for. Saying that, he might not have got any, but its definately what he tends to go for, the pattern was cheap enough for him to make a few bob i think.

But surely, with a bit of brasso, they could all have full lustre. No?

[Colin G. 147]

I have a few modern proofs but they aren't my thing.Peck,Montague etc spent considerable time and resource on patterns but I tend to skip over these pages.

Maybe we graduate onto proofs or patterns as most young collectors have to start on cheap currency coins....probably I won't graduate and stick with currency.Even when I sell a NF gothic florin on Ebay I still regard it as its spending power over the years,what it has purchased,how many times it has changed hands and even today its bullion value as scrap silver.

A collectable pattern has sat in a tray smiling prettily at its owner saying "you can look ,but don't touch"

Maybe that is why I prefer the real thing to plastic.

I am more of a currency man, but I do find myself eyeing up the odd proof....I must resist

[Peter 615]

I have a few modern proofs but they aren't my thing.Peck,Montague etc spent considerable time and resource on patterns but I tend to skip over these pages.

Maybe we graduate onto proofs or patterns as most young collectors have to start on cheap currency coins....probably I won't graduate and stick with currency.Even when I sell a NF gothic florin on Ebay I still regard it as its spending power over the years,what it has purchased,how many times it has changed hands and even today its bullion value as scrap silver.

A collectable pattern has sat in a tray smiling prettily at its owner saying "you can look ,but don't touch"

Maybe that is why I prefer the real thing to plastic.

I am more of a currency man, but I do find myself eyeing up the odd proof....I must resist

I had to read "proof" twice.

[Colin G. 147]

Don't start that rumour, I will be hung drawn and quartered

[Peckris 579]

At a guess

http://www.londoncoi.../134/L2217r.jpg (Unc 440 GBP)

These are but a few i'll expect to see on the bay in due course.........Eyes peeled ladies

£440 for a BU 1865/3 ???? Shome mishtake surely?

[azda 979]

Don't start that rumour, I will be hung drawn and quartered

Take your hand of your hip when you say that Colin xxx or should we call you sweetcheeks

Edited September 8, 2011 by azda

[Red Riley 2]

Don't start that rumour, I will be hung drawn and quartered

Take your hand of your hip when you say that Colin xxx or should we call you sweetcheeks

I wondered who the tranny was at the last Warwick & Warwick.

[Colin G. 147]

Don't start that rumour, I will be hung drawn and quartered

or should we call you sweetcheeks

How do you know what my tattoo says

[Peter 615]

Sorry Colin for starting this