1911 currency threepence proof

[Nick 329]

Does such a thing exist?

The main references I have access to don't all agree. ESC lists it as ref. 2125, rarity S (scarce). Spink 2011 (S.4015) gives a price of £40 in FDC. Davies doesn't list it at all.

If they do exist. How were they issued? and how many were minted?

[VickySilver 830]

I believe it is the Maundy 3d to which they refer, and this is the identical design to the currency issues and is prooflike.

The line between proof and prooflike is rather tenuous with these small bits and IMO best not to get caught up in the semantics.

Also, occasionally the Maundy come more satin like than with mirror like surfaces and with varying amounts of cameo to the

devices on the more prooflike specimens.

Hope that helps...

Edited October 26, 2011 by VickySilver

[Gary D 76]

I believe it is the Maundy 3d to which they refer, and this is the identical design to the currency issues and is prooflike.

The line between proof and prooflike is rather tenuous with these small bits and IMO best not to get caught up in the semantics.

Also, occasionally the Maundy come more satin like than with mirror like surfaces and with varying amounts of cameo to the

devices on the more prooflike specimens.

Hope that helps...

The proof sets only included 8 silver coins. 2/6, 2/-, 1/-, 6d, 4d, 3d, 2d and 1d. If we were to assuming the 3d is part of the maundy series there would be no proof currency 3d.... but are the maundy coins proof or maundy issue. I say proof which would make the 3d a proof currency 3d because the normal issue maundy 3d has a different observe the proof issue.

Edited October 26, 2011 by Gary D

[Peckris 579]

I believe it is the Maundy 3d to which they refer, and this is the identical design to the currency issues and is prooflike.

The line between proof and prooflike is rather tenuous with these small bits and IMO best not to get caught up in the semantics.

Also, occasionally the Maundy come more satin like than with mirror like surfaces and with varying amounts of cameo to the

devices on the more prooflike specimens.

Hope that helps...

The proof sets only included 8 silver coins. 2/6, 2/-, 1/-, 6d, 4d, 3d, 2d and 1d. If we were to assuming the 3d is part of the maundy series there would be no proof currency 3d.... but are the maundy coins proof or maundy issue. I say proof which would make the 3d a proof currency 3d because the normal issue maundy 3d has a different observe the proof issue.

This sounds like a grey area. The only official Maundy Money is that which was issued as part of the ceremony. Therefore the "Maundy" denominations as part of the 1911, 1937 proof sets, etc, can't really be regarded as Maundy, and therefore the 3d should count as a currency proof (how you would classify the 4d, 2d, and 1d, I have no idea).

[Nick 329]

I believe it is the Maundy 3d to which they refer, and this is the identical design to the currency issues and is prooflike.

The line between proof and prooflike is rather tenuous with these small bits and IMO best not to get caught up in the semantics.

Also, occasionally the Maundy come more satin like than with mirror like surfaces and with varying amounts of cameo to the

devices on the more prooflike specimens.

Hope that helps...

That is what I suspected, but Spink quote different prices for a 1911 threepence proof in FDC (£40) and a 1911 Maundy threepence in FDC (£22).

[Gary D 76]

That is what I suspected, but Spink quote different prices for a 1911 threepence proof in FDC (£40) and a 1911 Maundy threepence in FDC (£22).

That's because the maundy 3d and proof 3d are different coins

[Nick 329]

That is what I suspected, but Spink quote different prices for a 1911 threepence proof in FDC (£40) and a 1911 Maundy threepence in FDC (£22).

That's because the maundy 3d and proof 3d are different coins

Ok, so if I understand this (please correct me if I'm wrong). There are three different 1911 3d coins:

- Currency

- Maundy (produced with polished dies)

- Proof (produced with polished dies and polished flan)

Therefore it doesn't make any sense to say currency proof or maundy proof unless there are exclusive design differences between the currency and maundy dies.

[Gary D 76]

That is what I suspected, but Spink quote different prices for a 1911 threepence proof in FDC (£40) and a 1911 Maundy threepence in FDC (£22).

That's because the maundy 3d and proof 3d are different coins

Ok, so if I understand this (please correct me if I'm wrong). There are three different 1911 3d coins:

- Currency

- Maundy (produced with polished dies)

- Proof (produced with polished dies and polished flan)

Therefore it doesn't make any sense to say currency proof or maundy proof unless there are exclusive design differences between the currency and maundy dies.

And four varieties of the currency 3d

Edited October 27, 2011 by Gary D

[Peckris 579]

That is what I suspected, but Spink quote different prices for a 1911 threepence proof in FDC (£40) and a 1911 Maundy threepence in FDC (£22).

That's because the maundy 3d and proof 3d are different coins

Ok, so if I understand this (please correct me if I'm wrong). There are three different 1911 3d coins:

- Currency

- Maundy (produced with polished dies)

- Proof (produced with polished dies and polished flan)

Therefore it doesn't make any sense to say currency proof or maundy proof unless there are exclusive design differences between the currency and maundy dies.

A few years ago Spink didn't list a proof 1911 3d, though all other silver denominations were. However it did list a 1911 'proof Maundy set'. As separate Maundy proofs weren't issued, this must refer to the Maundy coins in the main proof set.

If Spink are now listing the 1911 3ds separately, there must be a reason, and this is what I'd suggest :

IF it can be shown that the 3d came from the main proof set, the £40 applies

IF the 3d clearly has been taken from a normal Maundy set, the £22 applies

However, if its source is unproven and the coin has begun to tone, it wouldn't be possible to differentiate. It would however be reasonable to say that a separate 1911 proof 3d doesn't exist : it's part of the Maundy set in the proof set.

[Nick 329]

That is what I suspected, but Spink quote different prices for a 1911 threepence proof in FDC (£40) and a 1911 Maundy threepence in FDC (£22).

That's because the maundy 3d and proof 3d are different coins

Ok, so if I understand this (please correct me if I'm wrong). There are three different 1911 3d coins:

- Currency

- Maundy (produced with polished dies)

- Proof (produced with polished dies and polished flan)

Therefore it doesn't make any sense to say currency proof or maundy proof unless there are exclusive design differences between the currency and maundy dies.

And four varieties of the currency 3d

Are all four known to exist? Davies has the 1+B as unconfirmed?

[Gary D 76]

That is what I suspected, but Spink quote different prices for a 1911 threepence proof in FDC (£40) and a 1911 Maundy threepence in FDC (£22).

That's because the maundy 3d and proof 3d are different coins

Ok, so if I understand this (please correct me if I'm wrong). There are three different 1911 3d coins:

- Currency

- Maundy (produced with polished dies)

- Proof (produced with polished dies and polished flan)

Therefore it doesn't make any sense to say currency proof or maundy proof unless there are exclusive design differences between the currency and maundy dies.

And four varieties of the currency 3d

Are all four known to exist? Davies has the 1+B as unconfirmed?

I've only ever found three of them.

Regarding the proof/maundy question. All my 1911 proof series have toned a dark cobalt blue whereas the maundy set it the normal golden colour. Also the 3d from the proof set has obv 2 and the maundy 3d has obv 1.

[declanwmagee 122]

Unconfirmed Davies coins; I constantly change my mind whether to include them in the list of what's possible to get. Case by case inclusion/exclusion, or lots of fruitless checking?

Having said that, I did get one the other week: D.751 1870 2/- 3+A smaller reverse design. I've given up on a few, like 1937 3dAg 1+B. Just didn't have the patience to check so many common coins. What a cop out.

[Nick 329]

And four varieties of the currency 3d

Are all four known to exist? Davies has the 1+B as unconfirmed?

I've only ever found three of them.

Regarding the proof/maundy question. All my 1911 proof series have toned a dark cobalt blue whereas the maundy set it the normal golden colour. Also the 3d from the proof set has obv 2 and the maundy 3d has obv 1.

My 1911 proofs are all colourfully toned, mostly crimson, mauve and cyan. The smaller ones are quite tricky to get a decent photo showing the toning, but here is the proof "maundy" 3d which is obverse 2.

[Nick 329]

Unconfirmed Davies coins; I constantly change my mind whether to include them in the list of what's possible to get. Case by case inclusion/exclusion, or lots of fruitless checking?

Having said that, I did get one the other week: D.751 1870 2/- 3+A smaller reverse design. I've given up on a few, like 1937 3dAg 1+B. Just didn't have the patience to check so many common coins. What a cop out.

I do scan eBay every now and again for scarce varieties, but it takes greater perseverance than I possess.