What grade would you say this was?

[azda 979]

Better to ask i think. I'd say GF, but opinions can vary.

[numismatist 2]

I would have said FINE but it appears to have an attemped piercing between D and E of DEI and knocks across the Queens Head . With no markings your GOOD FINE would have been pretty well spot on I think .

[azda 979]

Also just noticed something poking out the bottom of the 1 in the date, looks like 1/1?

[moneyer12 0]

i would grade it as vg/fine because of the amount of the obverse damage, the 1 does appear to be a double strike though.

[Peter 615]

It may grade GF but with the piercing and other damage it would be "poor" money...the same as clear date buns.

Even though it is a key date I'm afraid it's bin material.

[Colin G. 147]

It may grade GF but with the piercing and other damage it would be "poor" money...the same as clear date buns.

Even though it is a key date I'm afraid it's bin material.

I would agree with Peter's approach, I always try to maintain a technical grade and then draw attention to the faults. Otherwise you end up trying to determine how much of a grade to knock off for an attempted piercing, edge knock etc. It is easier to just say "Good Fine" with multiple digs and an attempted piercing. It would still sell on ebay

[1949threepence 3,367]

Good fine....perhaps. The reverse is significantly better than the obverse, which is not only well worn, but also has a number of score marks on it.

It's OK if you can't get anything better, and with 1849, that may well be the case for many

[Accumulator 52]

I think F/GF is a fair assessment. I don't have an 1849 either, so it's going to be a big spend when the time comes to fill that particular gap. I'm honestly not sure I could live with this coin, though some others may just be happy to have something in the tray for a difficult year.

Edited December 5, 2011 by Accumulator

[RLC35 288]

Dave,

I'm not as picky as Accumulator...I'll take it! I think you are pretty well on the mark with the grading.

[azda 979]

Dave,

I'm not as picky as Accumulator...I'll take it! I think you are pretty well on the mark with the grading.

Its not mine to sell Bob, but if you want the link then i'll send you it along via PM, just let me know.

[Bronze & Copper Collector 412]

Also just noticed something poking out the bottom of the 1 in the date, looks like 1/1?

Yes 1/1

Also known with 4/4

[Chingford 166]

Edited December 6, 2011 by Chingford

[Peter 615]

OK the blighter is rare...but like accumulator I couldn't live with it.

Has anyone else got/links to rare coins which have been butchered(ignoring sovereigns and guineas)

Edited December 6, 2011 by Peter

[Red Riley 2]

Better to ask i think. I'd say GF, but opinions can vary.

I would describe it as, 'Good fine, reverse slightly better. Obverse - several digs and attempted piercing'. Grading can only take you so far.

Given the damage it will probably only go for 'Fair' money.

[VickySilver 830]

Thank you as I see nobody else seem bothered by the piercing attempt. Wonder what a legitimate GEF (ie slabbed PCGS 63 or 4) would go for at a major auction? I have just seen one on the PCGS site in MS63RB that I seem to recall from a St. James auction...

[Peter 615]

Thank you as I see nobody else seem bothered by the piercing attempt. Wonder what a legitimate GEF (ie slabbed PCGS 63 or 4) would go for at a major auction? I have just seen one on the PCGS site in MS63RB that I seem to recall from a St. James auction...

I did mentioned and was put off by the piercing several posts ago.I'm pierce free (apart from my Prince Albert )If a calibre coin comes up for sale the previous owner is usually dead.

With the popular 1d series £8,000 + wouldn't suprise me.

[VickySilver 830]

Hey now, that pierce free is TMI (too much information)!!

[1949threepence 3,367]

OK the blighter is rare...but like accumulator I couldn't live with it.

Has anyone else got/links to rare coins which have been butchered(ignoring sovereigns and guineas)

There's one I'm thinking of buying. It is rare but has several deepish obverse digs across the portrait. Otherwise VF.

Don't like the digs, but overall I prefer them over the cleaned one of the same year I currently possess.

Won't post a link as the seller is on this forum, and I don't have his permission to do so. Be different once I've bought, if I decide to do so.

[scott 144]

rare and butchered

is this rare enough

[Red Riley 2]

rare and butchered

Actually a fairly common coin but definitely one for the scrapper.

[Gary D 76]

I've shown this before but I think it definitly comes under the heading "Rare but Butchered".

[declanwmagee 122]

I've shown this before but I think it definitly comes under the heading "Rare but Butchered".

ouch. Judging by the 5 it's a real one too. After the 1905 shilling thread recently I spent a very interesting half hour looking carefully at the 5s on all the 1905 shillings on eBay. My goodness, what a range! Hopefully that half hour will stand me in good stead when the time comes for me to buy one. It must be soon. That and the halfcrown are my only E7 gaps now.

[Peckris 579]

ouch. Judging by the 5 it's a real one too. After the 1905 shilling thread recently I spent a very interesting half hour looking carefully at the 5s on all the 1905 shillings on eBay. My goodness, what a range! Hopefully that half hour will stand me in good stead when the time comes for me to buy one. It must be soon. That and the halfcrown are my only E7 gaps now.

A tad overrated, pricewise. But like the 1934 crown, it has accrued its own mythic status over the years.

[declanwmagee 122]

ouch. Judging by the 5 it's a real one too. After the 1905 shilling thread recently I spent a very interesting half hour looking carefully at the 5s on all the 1905 shillings on eBay. My goodness, what a range! Hopefully that half hour will stand me in good stead when the time comes for me to buy one. It must be soon. That and the halfcrown are my only E7 gaps now.

A tad overrated, pricewise. But like the 1934 crown, it has accrued its own mythic status over the years.

I'm sure you're right, Peck, but a gap's a gap, and it MUST be filled!

[Peckris 579]

ouch. Judging by the 5 it's a real one too. After the 1905 shilling thread recently I spent a very interesting half hour looking carefully at the 5s on all the 1905 shillings on eBay. My goodness, what a range! Hopefully that half hour will stand me in good stead when the time comes for me to buy one. It must be soon. That and the halfcrown are my only E7 gaps now.

A tad overrated, pricewise. But like the 1934 crown, it has accrued its own mythic status over the years.

I'm sure you're right, Peck, but a gap's a gap, and it MUST be filled!

I understand (applies soothing compress to Declan's fevered brow). The problem is, which grade to go for? The top grades are truly rare and probably realistically priced granted a 10% - 15% "mythic" addition. The lower grades up to Fine are affordable but horrendously overpriced in relation to their rarity. If you could afford a GF or AVF that might be the best way forward? (My own example is only AF, or GVG if you're being über strict. However it cost me less than a ton so I'm content enough.)