Henry VII Groat?

[BigBear 0]

Hi Guys, I need some help indentifing this coin, I think it is a Henry VII Groat, I have looked in Spinks but the descriptions dont match the coin, the mm that is. I am a complete novice and need your help. Thanks in advance.

[Geoff T 3]

Can you post a picture?

[Geoff T 3]

BigBear,

I tried to reply to your PM but it didn't recognise your user name. It could be that you've only been registered a few hours or so. I'll try sending it again later.

Geoff

I'm not a hammered expert at all, but there will be others on here who know far more about hammered coins who can help you.

[Geoff T 3]

Sorted now.

G

[BigBear 0]

I am having trouble uploading images so please BEAR with me (excuse the pun) I will upload as soon as possible, btw do the images have to be hosted on a web server or can I upload directly?

[william 0]

When you are posting, underneath the text box, there is a little box called browse, can you see it? click on that and upload the image straight from your computer.

[BigBear 0]

Yeah thanks Will, I have tried "the box" but for some reason the image will not upload and yes it is smaller than max quoted, I've tried jpeg,bmp and gif none of the formats work!

[BigBear 0]

Looks like it worked this time!!!!!!!!!!

[william 0]

Wel, that looks like a nice coin, but I know nothing about hammered, I just knew how to upload sorry. Ask Sylvester, he'll know!!

[Sylvester 15]

Can i see a picture of the other side please before i say anything?

[Master Jmd 89]

It cirtainly looks in good condition...are you a hammered collector BigBear?

[Sylvester 15]

I still need to see the other side... call me a sceptic.

[Master Jmd 89]

call me a sceptic.

you are a sceptic ...

[Sylvester 15]

Mintmark looks to be an anchor, hard to tell though it's the only one that comes close.

[BigBear 0]

Here is the back of the coin, I can make out a cross then anchor but as I said earlier I am a complete novice. I was left a small collection of hammered coins by my late Uncle, I'm interested to find out wht they are!

[BigBear 0]

Hi Sylvester here is the detail of the mm if this helps!

[Master Jmd 89]

could it be a penny or a farthing? - just a thought..im no hammered fan

Edited June 30, 2004 by Master Jmd

[BigBear 0]

sorry wrong image

[Sylvester 15]

London mint, anchor mintmark, minted between 1485-1509.

Coincraft reference number is H74D-040, Valued at £38 in VG and £75 in F.

Thanks for the pic of the reverse cos it helped me ascribe it to a mint and a mintmark (hence the sceptical bit, cos i wasn't sure about the obverse one), the reverse one is much clearer. (Although they can be muled)

Now i don't find Spinks/Seaby catalogue as easy to use at all with hammered... but i figure the Seaby reference is... S.2199 Class IIIc to them. (Or it was in 1993).

Tom's the guy you need for this.

[Sylvester 15]

Oh that's better, yep that's an anchor alright.

No it's not a penny or a halfpenny they look nothing like JMD.

It could have been a halfgroat but it doesn't look right for one of those, i'm pretty sure it's a groat. What kind of size is it?

[Sylvester 15]

Gradewise... now this is my failing on hammered Tom will shame me probably for getting this wrong.

But top grade is VF, it's not that cos the hair is worn and there is some overall wear... but it's better than VG, i'd say it was AF-F, but grading hammered is a bit of a foreign language to me.

Although in all honesty i get far more enjoyment out of owning hammered coins than i do milled. I'm slowly moving towards hammered, very slowly.

[BigBear 0]

Thanks so much for your help, if you dont mind a dumb question - here goes.

I found the reference 2199 IIIc but it quotes mm as Pansy-Cross-crosslet and none, this is where I got lost as clearly it is an anchor, also 2201 quotes double bar with 6 uprights or crochets which is what I thought it was but again no mention of the anchor???

[BigBear 0]

size is 26mm across the eye line

[Sylvester 15]

I think Spink are getting lazy with the hammered section.

Right i've just had a look try 2199A Which is class IIId. It's basically the same as class IIIc but the letters on the former are plainer. Anchor exists on the plainer letters variant which yours is.

[Sylvester 15]

size is 26mm across the eye line

Then it is definately a groat, incidentally so is my avatar.