Edward? Groat

[BigBear 0]

I know this is a groat by now!!

I can see that it is Edward but which one?

mm is a crown

size is 26mm

[BigBear 0]

And the reverse

[Sylvester 15]

I think it's Edward IV, i can't see and Edward III with those crosses that look a bit like Pat Evans' earings...

[BigBear 0]

The closest that I could find is Ed IV 2000 or 2001 but no mention of the markings around I think they might be known as Lis

[Sylvester 15]

I reckon E44D-070, or S.2000, I think it's what Spinks refers to as a coronet rather than a crown, Coincraft just says crown.

I'm not sure on this one though, i'll see what you think.

[Sylvester 15]

oh you'd already replied... i'm looking for the lis bit, there's three of them.

[BigBear 0]

Just found this in the text "early coins have fleurs on the cusps of the treasure" is this what I am talking about? Dont know the terms cusps or treasure??

[Sylvester 15]

i can't see any mention of the lis...

But they might be part of the 9 arches going around rather than part of the bust, and from what i can see the lis turn up in some funny places on those arches... i forget what the proper name is. It also happens on the gold coinage too.

[Sylvester 15]

Just found this in the text "early coins have fleurs on the cusps of the treasure" is this what I am talking about? Dont know the terms cusps or treasure??

That's the name i was looking for, tressure and cusps. Tressures are the arches in this case 9 of them, and the cusps are where they meet.

[Sylvester 15]

Lis, fleurs and trefoils are seemingly used interchangably... depending on how clear they are.

If it looks like a French fleur de lis then either lis or fleur are used, if it looks like three blobs then trefoil. If it's for blobs then quatrefoil.

Needless to say it can get complex, it's quite in depth stuff. You're not doing bad with that Spinks, it's a catalogue designed (especially the hammered section) for those that know hammered coins, people that know what fleurs and lis and cusps etc are. Not very user friendly i find and not very informative.