It's getting harder!

[BigBear 0]

This one is a lot harder for me as I know nothing !

It does feel heavier to me ?? slightly that is

The condition is clear to see thats why I am lost

[BigBear 0]

And the back

[Sylvester 15]

If in doubt say Henry VI, firstly you say it's heavier and that important cos it means it was produced between Edward III and the first part of Edward IV's reign. Henry VI ones are quite common so lets have a look there, if not there than under Edward III equally common. If that fails then we'll look under Richard II and Henry V... If that fails then we'll get to that if we have to...

[Sylvester 15]

Right it's not Henry V or VI, the bust isn't right for those...

[Sylvester 15]

I don't think it's Richard II... Most probably Edward III

[Sylvester 15]

Look on the obverse side where the king's byust is, to the bottom left if you can read the legend tell me if there is a z there...

From directly below the king's bust it should read something like... ANGL then what does it read?

[BigBear 0]

Not very good at reading these things yet, I think it is ANGL then ?

[Sylvester 15]

Oh i know it's ANGL, it's just i can't see a z or not, that is important... i think i now what it might be... well i have a chouice between a few but i need to know if there is any z there...

Actually just check this one... S.1566

After the ANGL is there what looks like a random placed 1 that looks a bit homeless?

[Sylvester 15]

I'm still not sure about this one though cos if you see here can you see a mintmark, this is kind of like Henry VI?

Right i've done a bit of circling... the one on the left, what letter is that?

The one on the right, what is that? (See if it looks like any mintmarks in the Spinks table)

[BigBear 0]

sorry try this

[Sylvester 15]

yeah i was looking at that... (i've just removed that post cos of Chris' bandwith it was a bit big!)

My picture with the terrible circles shows it though.

[Sylvester 15]

the letter to the right of it looks like an F for FRANC.

The letter before looks like the the L from ANGL...

But that sure doesn't look like a Z does it?

[BigBear 0]

No Z that I know

[TomGoodheart 403]

Looks similar to a pre-treaty groat series C (London ) in the Circular - S 1565, if that helps...

[Sylvester 15]

I could be a back to front F actually, and the other letter to the right an R or a D... which would fit in with the Edward III Post treaty coins, have a look at S.1637

[Sylvester 15]

It's even got the inverse n in London on the reverse.

[TomGoodheart 403]

But this has the annulet stops of the pre treaty coin whereas S1637 has cross stops whic come in during the transitional period no?

[Sylvester 15]

You're most probably right it's getting late and i'm getting confused. So is it in actual fact what i said it was the first time around?

I'm having a tough time with this one!

[Sylvester 15]

is it S.1566?

[TomGoodheart 403]

Er... yes. I think. Though I'm still struggling with the difference between 1565 (whihc I have a photo of ) and 1566 (which I don't). I'd go for your classification on the basis that it was more 'scientifically' derived whereas mine is just on the basis of a few pictures!!!

[TomGoodheart 403]

Oh .. and well done!!!

[TomGoodheart 403]

I hope we haven't scared Big Bear off!

[BigBear 0]

I'm still here guys, just the conversation is getting a bit over my head!!!

[TomGoodheart 403]

Sorry - just a bit carried away! So is the rest early hammered too? ( ie no Charles I, my particular interest!!)

(Looks like a nice collection by the way!)

[BigBear 0]

4 others that are half groats or pennies, the rest of the collection are later milled coins and even I can find them in the books!