Scottish 1959 shilling

[Gollum 2]

I want a decent Scottish Shilling from 1959, but I see a auction site saying REVERSE. 1959 Elizabeth II Scottish Shilling (2nd issue) (Reverse), what are they on about, how many different 1959 scottish shillings are there ?.

Oh and whilst I am waffling about this, does anyone want to tell me what the meaning or significance is of finding silly scratched numbers on the obverse / reverse of victorian pennies is about too.

[Peter 615]

I want a decent Scottish Shilling from 1959, but I see a auction site saying REVERSE. 1959 Elizabeth II Scottish Shilling (2nd issue) (Reverse), what are they on about, how many different 1959 scottish shillings are there ?.

Oh and whilst I am waffling about this, does anyone want to tell me what the meaning or significance is of finding silly scratched numbers on the obverse / reverse of victorian pennies is about too.

I must have 30 of the blighters left from NEF to UNC after buying a job lot years ago.These sell for 99p on Ebay so I can't be bothered to list.

graffiti on coins is the same as on everything else...

[Gollum 2]

I want a decent Scottish Shilling from 1959, but I see a auction site saying REVERSE. 1959 Elizabeth II Scottish Shilling (2nd issue) (Reverse), what are they on about, how many different 1959 scottish shillings are there ?.

Oh and whilst I am waffling about this, does anyone want to tell me what the meaning or significance is of finding silly scratched numbers on the obverse / reverse of victorian pennies is about too.

I must have 30 of the blighters left from NEF to UNC after buying a job lot years ago.These sell for 99p on Ebay so I can't be bothered to list.

graffiti on coins is the same as on everything else...

Want to sell me one Peter ? paypal ?, if so throw me a price all in will you.

[davidrj 194]

Oh and whilst I am waffling about this, does anyone want to tell me what the meaning or significance is of finding silly scratched numbers on the obverse / reverse of victorian pennies is about too.

They are Pyx pieces, internal mint tallies of numbers (actually tons) struck

best reference is the detailed study by Michael Gouby here

Rob posted a picture of his a while back. but can't remember which thread

David

[Gollum 2]

Oh and whilst I am waffling about this, does anyone want to tell me what the meaning or significance is of finding silly scratched numbers on the obverse / reverse of victorian pennies is about too.

They are Pyx pieces, internal mint tallies of numbers (actually tons) struck

best reference is the detailed study by Michael Gouby here

Rob posted a picture of his a while back. but can't remember which thread

David

I read that page a while back David, but I don't understand it or the actual reason for the numbering I am afraid.

[Rob 3,152]

I want a decent Scottish Shilling from 1959, but I see a auction site saying REVERSE. 1959 Elizabeth II Scottish Shilling (2nd issue) (Reverse), what are they on about, how many different 1959 scottish shillings are there ?.

Oh and whilst I am waffling about this, does anyone want to tell me what the meaning or significance is of finding silly scratched numbers on the obverse / reverse of victorian pennies is about too.

I must have 30 of the blighters left from NEF to UNC after buying a job lot years ago.These sell for 99p on Ebay so I can't be bothered to list.

graffiti on coins is the same as on everything else...

Want to sell me one Peter ? paypal ?, if so throw me a price all in will you.

Take a deep breath and save up. I was an underbidder on the two numbered pennies in the Adams sale in 2003 and they hammered at 600 and 920 respectively. My halfpenny cost me £650 in 2007 and is numbered 138/405. Some have sold for over £1K. The numbers in the fields refer to the quantity of that denomination struck and the total bronze respectively (see Graham Dyer's article in the 1982 BNJ (vol.52) p.234-240. Obviously there is no duplication of number combinations. They appear to be some sort of mint control or record. How they escaped into the collecting fraternity isn't certain, but they seem to have appeared in the 1940-50s. I am not 100% sure how, so will not speculate.

[Peter 615]

I haven't read this article.

Although "records" of nrs are kept you could easily make your own.

How and why did they only get into the market until the 40/50's.

[Gollum 2]

I want a decent Scottish Shilling from 1959, but I see a auction site saying REVERSE. 1959 Elizabeth II Scottish Shilling (2nd issue) (Reverse), what are they on about, how many different 1959 scottish shillings are there ?.

Oh and whilst I am waffling about this, does anyone want to tell me what the meaning or significance is of finding silly scratched numbers on the obverse / reverse of victorian pennies is about too.

I must have 30 of the blighters left from NEF to UNC after buying a job lot years ago.These sell for 99p on Ebay so I can't be bothered to list.

graffiti on coins is the same as on everything else...

Want to sell me one Peter ? paypal ?, if so throw me a price all in will you.

Take a deep breath and save up. I was an underbidder on the two numbered pennies in the Adams sale in 2003 and they hammered at 600 and 920 respectively. My halfpenny cost me £650 in 2007 and is numbered 138/405. Some have sold for over £1K. The numbers in the fields refer to the quantity of that denomination struck and the total bronze respectively (see Graham Dyer's article in the 1982 BNJ (vol.52) p.234-240. Obviously there is no duplication of number combinations. They appear to be some sort of mint control or record. How they escaped into the collecting fraternity isn't certain, but they seem to have appeared in the 1940-50s. I am not 100% sure how, so will not speculate.

Thank you Rob. I can't access that yet though, or find it online. So are you saying that they struck 138,000 or merely a 138 copper and 405 Bronze. i know others will understand this off the bat, but I am a bit slower I am afraid, and as it is a bit special I thought I would be the daft sod to ask about it for other beginners who wandered across it but didn't want to look daft asking here ( looking daft is a family trait, so I'm not bothered ). I thought it had to do with how many 000's before the die was knackered !. Oh well.

[Rob 3,152]

I want a decent Scottish Shilling from 1959, but I see a auction site saying REVERSE. 1959 Elizabeth II Scottish Shilling (2nd issue) (Reverse), what are they on about, how many different 1959 scottish shillings are there ?.

Oh and whilst I am waffling about this, does anyone want to tell me what the meaning or significance is of finding silly scratched numbers on the obverse / reverse of victorian pennies is about too.

I must have 30 of the blighters left from NEF to UNC after buying a job lot years ago.These sell for 99p on Ebay so I can't be bothered to list.

graffiti on coins is the same as on everything else...

Want to sell me one Peter ? paypal ?, if so throw me a price all in will you.

Take a deep breath and save up. I was an underbidder on the two numbered pennies in the Adams sale in 2003 and they hammered at 600 and 920 respectively. My halfpenny cost me £650 in 2007 and is numbered 138/405. Some have sold for over £1K. The numbers in the fields refer to the quantity of that denomination struck and the total bronze respectively (see Graham Dyer's article in the 1982 BNJ (vol.52) p.234-240. Obviously there is no duplication of number combinations. They appear to be some sort of mint control or record. How they escaped into the collecting fraternity isn't certain, but they seem to have appeared in the 1940-50s. I am not 100% sure how, so will not speculate.

Thank you Rob. I can't access that yet though, or find it online. So are you saying that they struck 138,000 or merely a 138 copper and 405 Bronze. i know others will understand this off the bat, but I am a bit slower I am afraid, and as it is a bit special I thought I would be the daft sod to ask about it for other beginners who wandered across it but didn't want to look daft asking here ( looking daft is a family trait, so I'm not bothered ). I thought it had to do with how many 000's before the die was knackered !. Oh well.

That would be 138 tons of halfpennies and 405 tons of bronze in total by 1866. The one on Gouby's site is 139 and 406, so possibly they were sampled every complete ton struck.

[Gollum 2]

I want a decent Scottish Shilling from 1959, but I see a auction site saying REVERSE. 1959 Elizabeth II Scottish Shilling (2nd issue) (Reverse), what are they on about, how many different 1959 scottish shillings are there ?.

Oh and whilst I am waffling about this, does anyone want to tell me what the meaning or significance is of finding silly scratched numbers on the obverse / reverse of victorian pennies is about too.

I must have 30 of the blighters left from NEF to UNC after buying a job lot years ago.These sell for 99p on Ebay so I can't be bothered to list.

graffiti on coins is the same as on everything else...

Want to sell me one Peter ? paypal ?, if so throw me a price all in will you.

Take a deep breath and save up. I was an underbidder on the two numbered pennies in the Adams sale in 2003 and they hammered at 600 and 920 respectively. My halfpenny cost me £650 in 2007 and is numbered 138/405. Some have sold for over £1K. The numbers in the fields refer to the quantity of that denomination struck and the total bronze respectively (see Graham Dyer's article in the 1982 BNJ (vol.52) p.234-240. Obviously there is no duplication of number combinations. They appear to be some sort of mint control or record. How they escaped into the collecting fraternity isn't certain, but they seem to have appeared in the 1940-50s. I am not 100% sure how, so will not speculate.

Thank you Rob. I can't access that yet though, or find it online. So are you saying that they struck 138,000 or merely a 138 copper and 405 Bronze. i know others will understand this off the bat, but I am a bit slower I am afraid, and as it is a bit special I thought I would be the daft sod to ask about it for other beginners who wandered across it but didn't want to look daft asking here ( looking daft is a family trait, so I'm not bothered ). I thought it had to do with how many 000's before the die was knackered !. Oh well.

That would be 138 tons of halfpennies and 405 tons of bronze in total by 1866. The one on Gouby's site is 139 and 406, so possibly they were sampled every complete ton struck.

Blimey oh riley. Now that is a lot of ha'pennys . Thanks for the explanataion Rob, it was appreciated.

[declanwmagee 122]

I want a decent Scottish Shilling from 1959, but I see a auction site saying REVERSE. 1959 Elizabeth II Scottish Shilling (2nd issue) (Reverse), what are they on about, how many different 1959 scottish shillings are there ?.

Oh and whilst I am waffling about this, does anyone want to tell me what the meaning or significance is of finding silly scratched numbers on the obverse / reverse of victorian pennies is about too.

According to our esteemed Mr Groom, there are two kinds of 1959 Scottish shilling. Look at the 3 little diamonds at the base of the crown.

Type 1: all 3 touch the baseline

Type 2: only the left hand diamond touches the baseline.

In my experience, type 2 is commoner. 18 Type 2s have passed through my hands in the last 5 years, compared to 12 Type 1s.

[Gollum 2]

I want a decent Scottish Shilling from 1959, but I see a auction site saying REVERSE. 1959 Elizabeth II Scottish Shilling (2nd issue) (Reverse), what are they on about, how many different 1959 scottish shillings are there ?.

Oh and whilst I am waffling about this, does anyone want to tell me what the meaning or significance is of finding silly scratched numbers on the obverse / reverse of victorian pennies is about too.

According to our esteemed Mr Groom, there are two kinds of 1959 Scottish shilling. Look at the 3 little diamonds at the base of the crown.

Type 1: all 3 touch the baseline

Type 2: only the left hand diamond touches the baseline.

In my experience, type 2 is commoner. 18 Type 2s have passed through my hands in the last 5 years, compared to 12 Type 1s.

Thanks Declan. I was rather confused as I don't have any reference books for this as yet, I still hope the wife will oblige me soon, after all it is my money she spends . How are we doing with finding me my penny ? .

[Peckris 579]

I want a decent Scottish Shilling from 1959, but I see a auction site saying REVERSE. 1959 Elizabeth II Scottish Shilling (2nd issue) (Reverse), what are they on about, how many different 1959 scottish shillings are there ?.

Oh and whilst I am waffling about this, does anyone want to tell me what the meaning or significance is of finding silly scratched numbers on the obverse / reverse of victorian pennies is about too.

According to our esteemed Mr Groom, there are two kinds of 1959 Scottish shilling. Look at the 3 little diamonds at the base of the crown.

Type 1: all 3 touch the baseline

Type 2: only the left hand diamond touches the baseline.

In my experience, type 2 is commoner. 18 Type 2s have passed through my hands in the last 5 years, compared to 12 Type 1s.

Thanks Declan. I was rather confused as I don't have any reference books for this as yet, I still hope the wife will oblige me soon, after all it is my money she spends . How are we doing with finding me my penny ? .

A good inexpensive set to get you going would be :

• the latest CCGB (Collectors Coins GB) which lists all values and most minor varieties, from 1797 (copper) and 1816 (silver)

• from the same publishers (this site) : Check Your Change, for decimal issues

• both of Dave Groom's guides to 20th Century varieties : one for bronze, one for silver etc.

All those guides can be ordered via this site.

You can then save up for Davies (silver varieties from 1816) and Gouby (bronze pennies from 1860), if you fancy them. There is also the annual Spink Standard Catalogue which lists all reigns and types from Roman times up to the latest waste-of-time-and-space issues from our esteemed Royal Mint - a good general reference book.

Edited December 31, 2011 by Peckris

[Gollum 2]

I want a decent Scottish Shilling from 1959, but I see a auction site saying REVERSE. 1959 Elizabeth II Scottish Shilling (2nd issue) (Reverse), what are they on about, how many different 1959 scottish shillings are there ?.

Oh and whilst I am waffling about this, does anyone want to tell me what the meaning or significance is of finding silly scratched numbers on the obverse / reverse of victorian pennies is about too.

According to our esteemed Mr Groom, there are two kinds of 1959 Scottish shilling. Look at the 3 little diamonds at the base of the crown.

Type 1: all 3 touch the baseline

Type 2: only the left hand diamond touches the baseline.

In my experience, type 2 is commoner. 18 Type 2s have passed through my hands in the last 5 years, compared to 12 Type 1s.

Thanks Declan. I was rather confused as I don't have any reference books for this as yet, I still hope the wife will oblige me soon, after all it is my money she spends . How are we doing with finding me my penny ? .

A good inexpensive set to get you going would be :

• the latest CCGB (Collectors Coins GB) which lists all values and most minor varieties, from 1797 (copper) and 1816 (silver)

• from the same publishers (this site) : Check Your Change, for decimal issues

• both of Dave Groom's guides to 20th Century varieties : one for bronze, one for silver etc.

All those guides can be ordered via this site.

You can then save up for Davies (silver varieties from 1816) and Gouby (bronze pennies from 1860), if you fancy them. There is also the annual Spink Standard Catalogue which lists all reigns and types from Roman times up to the latest waste-of-time-and-space issues from our esteemed Royal Mint - a good general reference book.

I have CCGB 2011 but it doesn't seem to be in that, nor my spink or Krauss versions, so I guess I better get the ones you mention that are on my amazon wish list. Why is it that the ones I want are so expensive to me.

[Debbie 58]

According to our esteemed Mr Groom, there are two kinds of 1959 Scottish shilling. Look at the 3 little diamonds at the base of the crown.

Type 1: all 3 touch the baseline

Type 2: only the left hand diamond touches the baseline.

Don't suppose you have any examples of these do you Declan? When I look at mine it looks like its the middle diamond that doesn't touch the baseline ?

[declanwmagee 122]

According to our esteemed Mr Groom, there are two kinds of 1959 Scottish shilling. Look at the 3 little diamonds at the base of the crown.

Type 1: all 3 touch the baseline

Type 2: only the left hand diamond touches the baseline.

Don't suppose you have any examples of these do you Declan? When I look at mine it looks like its the middle diamond that doesn't touch the baseline ?

of course...

Type 1 above, Type 2 below...

[Debbie 58]

Fantastic - much appreciated Declan.

The centre diamond in the top one does look ever so slightly higher that the others. That must be the type I have.

[Peckris 579]

According to our esteemed Mr Groom, there are two kinds of 1959 Scottish shilling. Look at the 3 little diamonds at the base of the crown.

Type 1: all 3 touch the baseline

Type 2: only the left hand diamond touches the baseline.

Don't suppose you have any examples of these do you Declan? When I look at mine it looks like its the middle diamond that doesn't touch the baseline ?

of course...

Type 1 above, Type 2 below...

That's SUCH a micro-variety, and neither of them rare ... it's not what motivates me, I have to admit.

[Gollum 2]

I dont understand the fever over such things, you will forever be chasing every coin around or error even if it is not an error !, I can understand it if it was a major difference like a lion missing or words completely gone or even the wrong obverse to the reverse, those are major differences, I guess I will just have to see what happens in the future and if it gets to me.

[Coinery 1,157]

According to our esteemed Mr Groom, there are two kinds of 1959 Scottish shilling. Look at the 3 little diamonds at the base of the crown.

Type 1: all 3 touch the baseline

Type 2: only the left hand diamond touches the baseline.

Don't suppose you have any examples of these do you Declan? When I look at mine it looks like its the middle diamond that doesn't touch the baseline ?

of course...

Type 1 above, Type 2 below...

Damn good photography!

[Peter 615]

HNY.

In my frustration I have condemmed every Scots 1959 1/- to the brasso they are rarer now

[Gollum 2]

HNY.

In my frustration I have condemmed every Scots 1959 1/- to the brasso they are rarer now

Now you know why we never invited you to the forum party, Brasso users are banned .