1856 copper penny warning.

[stebuzz 0]

hi, new poster here. i have today been on ebay and spootted two different 1856 pennies for sale.

one in england and the other in the USA. these have exactly the same marks/damage to them.

i have spoken to chris perkins about this and he suggested they may be using the same picture.

this is a scarce date and even in fine these go for 70 quid.

BEWARE as these may be forgeries from a die.

at the very least check that the coin you will receive is the one in the picture before you bid.

regards steve.

[Gollum 2]

hi, new poster here. i have today been on ebay and spootted two different 1856 pennies for sale.

one in england and the other in the USA. these have exactly the same marks/damage to them.

i have spoken to chris perkins about this and he suggested they may be using the same picture.

this is a scarce date and even in fine these go for 70 quid.

BEWARE as these may be forgeries from a die.

at the very least check that the coin you will receive is the one in the picture before you bid.

regards steve.

A link to both coins would be good ?.

If you are referring to these

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GB-Victorian-Copper-Penny-1856-/320823495880?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab2920cc8

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GB-Victorian-Copper-Penny-1856-/320823495880?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab2920cc8

Which are the only two identical ones I can find, they are the same seller and in the same place.

Edited January 8, 2012 by Gollum

[stebuzz 0]

the 2 items are 390376189771 and 260926639985

i must state that the 2 sellers are not in anyway being accused of any wrong doing.

thank you.

[Peckris 579]

the 2 items are 390376189771 and 260926639985

i must state that the 2 sellers are not in anyway being accused of any wrong doing.

thank you.

Well, they should be. Neither auction states that the coin is not the one pictured. The British one has now ended. The American one shows both sides of the (same) penny, enlargements. Someone has asked the American seller if the penny for sale is the coin in the picture, and been told "Yes". There is definitely something funny going on. And it's quite clearly the same coin - there couldn't be any mistake about it.

[Gollum 2]

the 2 items are 390376189771 and 260926639985

i must state that the 2 sellers are not in anyway being accused of any wrong doing.

thank you.

Well, they should be. Neither auction states that the coin is not the one pictured. The British one has now ended. The American one shows both sides of the (same) penny, enlargements. Someone has asked the American seller if the penny for sale is the coin in the picture, and been told "Yes". There is definitely something funny going on. And it's quite clearly the same coin - there couldn't be any mistake about it.

Thanks you two, got them now. Well if it is not resolved, I wont be buying from either of them in future.

Edited January 8, 2012 by Gollum

[Peter 615]

This info is most welcome.It's self policing at its best.Ebay will do diddly.

I have bought from C Ghost and had no problems(a few years back).Greed and temptation maybe is too much for some.

All the more reason for the less experienced to stick to known dealers,learn from their grading and realise Ebay is a full of good and bad guys.

I've only banned few buyers,namely a nasty women who I refunded,she kept the item and gave me a neg.I suppose it is like shoplifting to some.

Shilling bidding and sellers claiming they have lost items,dodgy dealers,dodgy buyers ought to be named and shamed.

[Gollum 2]

I suppose they could both be genuine coins, but one of the sellers here in the uk has stolen the others picture and wont admit it. What's the chances of that with this specific coin date though.

Edited January 8, 2012 by Gollum

[azda 979]

The problem is, who's stole who's pictures.

[Gollum 2]

The problem is, who's stole who's pictures.

I would say that is obvious dear watson, as the other US party has an abundance of them on their auction, then the person with the single one must of "borrowed" one, or else they would have the same number on theirs for the US party to have taken and then also displayed. Now pass me my violin and crack pipe dear chap .

[stebuzz 0]

thanks, yes it was me doing a bit of detective work who has asked both of them the question.

i have yet to hear back from the english seller.

but as the auction has ended he might not answer.

[Red Riley 2]

thanks, yes it was me doing a bit of detective work who has asked both of them the question.

i have yet to hear back from the english seller.

but as the auction has ended he might not answer.

It is the same photograph. So conceivably the American seller (whose price is about double what the English seller sold for) was so confident of winning that he put the coin up before he had won the English auction, but also possible that they were in cahoots although quite how this could be achieved is unclear. It is too distinctive, or even pig ugly, a coin to forge so can't see that there is any other explanation.

[Gollum 2]

thanks, yes it was me doing a bit of detective work who has asked both of them the question.

i have yet to hear back from the english seller.

but as the auction has ended he might not answer.

It is the same photograph. So conceivably the American seller (whose price is about double what the English seller sold for) was so confident of winning that he put the coin up before he had won the English auction, but also possible that they were in cahoots although quite how this could be achieved is unclear. It is too distinctive, or even pig ugly, a coin to forge so can't see that there is any other explanation.

I can agree to the in cahoots theory, or that they were just waiting to see who got the most for the same coin, however if the amercian seller was merely confdent of winning etc, it leaves me with the puzzle as to how he has so many more pictures of this coin than the "original UK" owner/seller where I would expect it to be the other way around.

[Bronze & Copper Collector 412]

Am I missing something???

It's the same seller, isn't it???

Doesn't make it right, but might it be just a listing mistake....

or some other mistake but without conspiracy theories??

Edited January 11, 2012 by Bronze & Copper Collector

[Peckris 579]

Am I missing something???

It's the same seller, isn't it???

Doesn't make it right, but might it be just a listing mistake....

or some other mistake but without conspiracy theories??

Hardly! Different usernames, but even if you reckon they have one username for the States and one for the UK, that doesn't excuse that the coin appears to be in Lawndale, California and in Warwickshire, England, at one and the same time.

[Coinery 1,152]

Why doesn't somebody just message him/her?

Just a thought!

[Coinery 1,152]

Why doesn't somebody just message him/her?

Just a thought!

Oooooooooops, didn't read the whole thread...didn't spot the highlighted 'back' tab on my phone!

[Bronze & Copper Collector 412]

Am I missing something???

It's the same seller, isn't it???

Doesn't make it right, but might it be just a listing mistake....

or some other mistake but without conspiracy theories??

Hardly! Different usernames, but even if you reckon they have one username for the States and one for the UK, that doesn't excuse that the coin appears to be in Lawndale, California and in Warwickshire, England, at one and the same time.

Sorry, I was looking at the links and not the auctions that were listed in the next post.... Mea Culpa

Edited January 12, 2012 by Bronze & Copper Collector