Elizabeth I Groat Fake on Ebay!

[Coinery 1,153]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320933281810?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

I have contacted the seller to let him know, and also to share with him the pictures of my old fake groat below...no response, as yet!

The only other possibility is he owns the original coin these common copies were cast from and, if he does, I definitely want it!

[argentumandcoins 70]

I wouldn't hold your breath on a reply Stuart.

I contacted the ebay user squirry123 earlier this month to ask if they knew the fistful of coins that they had paid a small fortune for from China were all fakes..............no response!

[Coinery 1,153]

What's the likelihood of the eBay groat being the original the replicas were made from? I'm having a good long thread of emails going with its seller, who remains convinced it's genuine! It went for £50ish!

It weighs 2.05g (so a tad heavy), but tests positive for silver according to his metal detector! Now I know these modern detectors are quite advanced, but can they mistake what I think is pewter for silver?

My fake was too thick, filed at the edge, was soapy, etc, he said his is none of these things.

I think he's genuinely interested in what's going on!

[TomGoodheart 402]

Did the seller say where he got it? These things have been around a while. I have a pic of one from ebay from 2010 so unless he obtained it well before then I'd say the chances are it's duff.

[Coinery 1,153]

Did the seller say where he got it? These things have been around a while. I have a pic of one from ebay from 2010 so unless he obtained it well before then I'd say the chances are it's duff.

About 4-5 months' ago! He said he's going to let me know where he got it from, a dealer apparently????? Isn't it a shame you can't follow these things up with the buyers anymore!

[argentumandcoins 70]

Did the seller say where he got it? These things have been around a while. I have a pic of one from ebay from 2010 so unless he obtained it well before then I'd say the chances are it's duff.

About 4-5 months' ago! He said he's going to let me know where he got it from, a dealer apparently????? Isn't it a shame you can't follow these things up with the buyers anymore!

That's ebay protecting,,,,,, oh, yes, ebay!

They make it so hard to track anything that the system is wide open to shill bidding and con merchants, but hey, 15% profits off the top for ebay/paypal, "you know it makes sense Rodders"!!!!!

[Coinery 1,153]

Did the seller say where he got it? These things have been around a while. I have a pic of one from ebay from 2010 so unless he obtained it well before then I'd say the chances are it's duff.

was that a lavender blue coin by any chance?

[TomGoodheart 402]

Did the seller say where he got it? These things have been around a while. I have a pic of one from ebay from 2010 so unless he obtained it well before then I'd say the chances are it's duff.

was that a lavender blue coin by any chance?

Quite likely. Or suzuki4x4, cmoon or any of his other aliases. The photos are a give away.

[Generic Lad 25]

What's the likelihood of the eBay groat being the original the replicas were made from? I'm having a good long thread of emails going with its seller, who remains convinced it's genuine! It went for £50ish!

It weighs 2.05g (so a tad heavy), but tests positive for silver according to his metal detector! Now I know these modern detectors are quite advanced, but can they mistake what I think is pewter for silver?

My fake was too thick, filed at the edge, was soapy, etc, he said his is none of these things.

I think he's genuinely interested in what's going on!

As a detectorist, just about anything can be considered "silver", granted, I use a cheap Garrett Ace 250 but aluminum cans will go off like a silver coin, copper-nickel will ring in as "silver" and gold rings will ring up as pulltabs.

Anyone who uses a metal detector for metallic analysis is doing it wrong. I would believe Pewter would ring up like silver also.

[Coinery 1,153]

What's the likelihood of the eBay groat being the original the replicas were made from? I'm having a good long thread of emails going with its seller, who remains convinced it's genuine! It went for £50ish!

It weighs 2.05g (so a tad heavy), but tests positive for silver according to his metal detector! Now I know these modern detectors are quite advanced, but can they mistake what I think is pewter for silver?

My fake was too thick, filed at the edge, was soapy, etc, he said his is none of these things.

I think he's genuinely interested in what's going on!

As a detectorist, just about anything can be considered "silver", granted, I use a cheap Garrett Ace 250 but aluminum cans will go off like a silver coin, copper-nickel will ring in as "silver" and gold rings will ring up as pulltabs.

Anyone who uses a metal detector for metallic analysis is doing it wrong. I would believe Pewter would ring up like silver also.

I have to say, this is my thinking too, but he didn't seem to want to budge on the situation. Another buyer bites the dust, I guess?

[Colin G. 147]

With a few machines that have Tone ID or target ID, it would certainly be possible to distinguish between the two, but definitely not with 100% certainty. Put it this way I would certainly not purchase a coin that I thought may be a counterfeit just by the sound it made under my coil

[Mongo 1]

As a newb, If I were to spend that kind of money on a coin and find out it was a fake, I would not be a happy bunny!

I think it is nice that I have the chance to come here and ask about anything, or any coin I am not sure about....

Unless you are all in it together, and selling the forum numnut duds!

[Coinery 1,153]

As a newb, If I were to spend that kind of money on a coin and find out it was a fake, I would not be a happy bunny!

I think it is nice that I have the chance to come here and ask about anything, or any coin I am not sure about....

Unless you are all in it together, and selling the forum numnut duds!

Meet me down the pub, I've got something to show you!

[HistoricCoinage 146]

There is a huge ring of sellers in Ireland who are selling known fakes to the UK audience. Please be wary at the best of times, especially of English hammered coins located in Ireland on eBay.

[azda 979]

Continental coin with a 165 FB score was the buyers name

[Coinery 1,153]

Continental coin with a 165 FB score was the buyers name

Was that a positive feedback then?

[azda 979]

Continental coin with a 165 FB score was the buyers name

Was that a positive feedback then?

Yup

[Coinery 1,153]

Christ, should perhaps change his name to Oriental Coin, if he's going to start collecting these types!

Edited July 10, 2012 by Coinery

[brauereibeck 1]

I've just seen a listing on ebay offering a 1951 penny for sale in what looks like just minted condition. Looking at the photo I can see a ghosting from the effigy which is visible between the trident and word PENNY. If this coin is genuine then this is a mint error I've never seen on a 1951 penny. If it isn't genuine then it's surely a worrying development.

[azda 979]

Another here 251109961475 scary eh

[brauereibeck 1]

Also worth a look...

Item number: 320898171670

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320898171670?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_500wt_1054

[Coinery 1,153]

Another here 251109961475 scary eh

Without checking records, I'm pretty sure I've had a number of happy purchases with this eBayer!

What's going on now, a 50's penny? You've got to be kidding me?

I presume someone is about to tell me they are all ghosted?

[pies 33]

Another here 251109961475 scary eh

Without checking records, I'm pretty sure I've had a number of happy purchases with this eBayer!

What's going on now, a 50's penny? You've got to be kidding me?

I presume someone is about to tell me they are all ghosted?

Bought a few from him myself no probs

[Colin G. 147]

I've just seen a listing on ebay offering a 1951 penny for sale in what looks like just minted condition. Looking at the photo I can see a ghosting from the effigy which is visible between the trident and word PENNY. If this coin is genuine then this is a mint error I've never seen on a 1951 penny. If it isn't genuine then it's surely a worrying development.

I think that is just a case of "looks like" ghosting, it could just be a strip of missing lustre, an effect of the photo or a depression in the planchet

[Peckris 579]

I've just seen a listing on ebay offering a 1951 penny for sale in what looks like just minted condition. Looking at the photo I can see a ghosting from the effigy which is visible between the trident and word PENNY. If this coin is genuine then this is a mint error I've never seen on a 1951 penny. If it isn't genuine then it's surely a worrying development.

I think that is just a case of "looks like" ghosting, it could just be a strip of missing lustre, an effect of the photo or a depression in the planchet

I tend to agree. True ghosting has to survive the disappearance of lustre bloom, and still be evident on a coin that's worn to some extent. I'm not sure I've ever seen true ghosting on a George VI (no, scott, I didn't see it on your coin!!)