My first Charles 1 sixpence

[pies 33]

Hi all this is my first forray into hammered coins and am probably way out on grading this coin. I bought the coin because i quite like the bust and its a bit of a change to the Edward Vii stuff ive been buying lately

Im grading it as "fine" am i in the right ball park ?

[pies 33]

and the reverse

[Rob 3,152]

As for grade, fine to good fine is ok, but I'd be a bit worried about the pitting. It's either been dug up from fairly corrosive soil or it's a cast. How much does it weigh, where did it come from and how much did it cost?

[pies 33]

Hi Rob its a metal detector find from yorkshire (ebay) cost £117 weight 2.35g

[Rob 3,152]

Hi Rob its a metal detector find from yorkshire (ebay) cost £117 weight 2.35g

I suggest it's not a detector find, but a copy. A sixpence should weigh 3g. Please PM me the seller. Thanks.

[pies 33]

Rob i cant send you a PM the system says you cant receive them

[Rob 3,152]

Rob i cant send you a PM the system says you cant receive them

There used to be a link below the picture for sending messages, but it seems to have disappeared - maybe the site was upgraded. Don't ask me how to get it back as I haven't a clue. There is a send an email link below. Try that.

[pies 33]

you have mail

[Paulus 1,975]

Hi Rob its a metal detector find from yorkshire (ebay) cost £117 weight 2.35g

I suggest it's not a detector find, but a copy. A sixpence should weigh 3g. Please PM me the seller. Thanks.

Oh no, this happened to me on eBay and I hated it, I hope the coin is okay. Please do whatever Rob advises!

[Peter 615]

Mmm a bit too round

[pies 33]

Mmm a bit too round

apart from

being very very round, its almost perfect

some pitting, well quite a bit actually

a hint of draw file marks on the edge

being very very flat

apart from all that it looks genuine :D :D :D

[Mongo 1]

Sincerely hope your coin turns out to be ok pies!

[Coinery 1,157]

I'd definitely say good fine but, to exaggerate the point, imagine a full'ish' flan shilling at 4.7g...you wouldn't touch it with a barge pole! The pitting wouldn't have necessarily put me off, I have to say, but the weight would have me running away at a million miles an hour! If you paid by PayPal, and I would never pay by any other means on eBay ( unless I either knew the seller, or was convinced of the piece beyond doubt), then you should be OK to get your money back (if that's where this is headed)!

[TomGoodheart 403]

Mmm a bit too round

I don't think it's the roundness that's a problem! Perhaps people are missing that this isn't actually a hammered coin after all, but an early machine made coin produced by Nicholas Briot. Second milled issue (1638-39, Spink 2860) Typically they are very round being made from specially prepared blanks and very rarely found clipped. Here's a similar example that sold through Baldwins 18 months ago:

What concerns me, like Rob, is the rather odd 'frothiness' to the worn areas. That doesn't look like the adjustment marks caused by a file (which is typically what was used). Nor does it really look as I'd expect if it's silver. Coupled with the low weight, I too am ... unsure about it.

[Mongo 1]

Did you get any clarification on the coin yet pies?

[pies 33]

Did you get any clarification on the coin yet pies?

Yep,Robs inspected it and confirmed its a fake,pity but NO loss except time but lots learnt

[Peter 615]

Did you get any clarification on the coin yet pies?

Yep,Robs inspected it and confirmed its a fake,pity but NO loss except time but lots learnt

I only buy hammered from known dealers or previous good experience's.Just tread carefully.

[Rob 3,152]

For what it's worth, the s.g. was 7.82 approx., so probably mostly tin with a bit of added lead. That's the usual mix as lead is normally the main impurity.

[Coinery 1,157]

For what it's worth, the s.g. was 7.82 approx., so probably mostly tin with a bit of added lead. That's the usual mix as lead is normally the main impurity.

I knew I'd seen this copy before (or at least an example of it)! I'm just in the process of backing everything up onto an online server, and have been going through all my images to reduce the folder sizes! Here's something I had a number of years ago (at least 5, as I can't find any records to go with it, no weight, origin or, unfortunately, what happened to the coin)!