Opinions please

[azda 979]

Was trawling and came across this. 1st question, is it genuine? Anyone have access to the PCGS database to check the serial, if so, is the coin pictured the same as this?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GREAT-BRITAIN-FLORIN-1902-SILVER-PCGS-PF63-MATTE-/370597879621?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item56495adf45

If genuine, then fine, if not, slab collectors should be worried. Matt Proof, but seems to be quite heavily toned. Looking back at Pies Matte Shilling, there's quite a difference, so just curious

[TomGoodheart 402]

Was trawling and came across this. 1st question, is it genuine? Anyone have access to the PCGS database to check the serial, if so, is the coin pictured the same as this?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GREAT-BRITAIN-FLORIN-1902-SILVER-PCGS-PF63-MATTE-/370597879621?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item56495adf45

If genuine, then fine, if not, slab collectors should be worried. Matt Proof, but seems to be quite heavily toned. Looking back at Pies Matte Shilling, there's quite a difference, so just curious

The database I checked doesn't have photos of the coin, just description. Not sure how or if it's possible to see a picture I'm afraid Dave, so it's not much help.

http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/16244004/

[Gary D 76]

Was trawling and came across this. 1st question, is it genuine? Anyone have access to the PCGS database to check the serial, if so, is the coin pictured the same as this?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GREAT-BRITAIN-FLORIN-1902-SILVER-PCGS-PF63-MATTE-/370597879621?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item56495adf45

If genuine, then fine, if not, slab collectors should be worried. Matt Proof, but seems to be quite heavily toned. Looking back at Pies Matte Shilling, there's quite a difference, so just curious

The database I checked doesn't have photos of the coin, just description. Not sure how or if it's possible to see a picture I'm afraid Dave, so it's not much help.

http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/16244004/

I'd be a bit more worried about the price, looks a bit rich to me.

[Coinery 1,153]

Was trawling and came across this. 1st question, is it genuine? Anyone have access to the PCGS database to check the serial, if so, is the coin pictured the same as this?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GREAT-BRITAIN-FLORIN-1902-SILVER-PCGS-PF63-MATTE-/370597879621?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item56495adf45

If genuine, then fine, if not, slab collectors should be worried. Matt Proof, but seems to be quite heavily toned. Looking back at Pies Matte Shilling, there's quite a difference, so just curious

That is the big problem with slabbing companies that don't insist on good quality images! CGS are as bad, a lot of their images are just token gestures, totally underexposed and blurred at times, as good as useless. Any 'jasmine' slabbers would surely be trawling the TPGC sites looking for the unidentifiable images and using those slab numbers on their own slabs, wouldn't they?

I think slab buyers, and slabbers, should begin insisting on quality images, especially when dealing with milled coinage!

[pies 33]

Ive seen that finish on a few matte coins i guess its reacted with something.Nice coin but the price is way over the top for a 1902 IMHO

[pies 33]

You might want the link below you can check any PCGS coin And this one comes back genuine

http://www.pcgs.com/cert/

[brauereibeck 1]

Was trawling and came across this. 1st question, is it genuine? Anyone have access to the PCGS database to check the serial, if so, is the coin pictured the same as this?

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item56495adf45

If genuine, then fine, if not, slab collectors should be worried. Matt Proof, but seems to be quite heavily toned. Looking back at Pies Matte Shilling, there's quite a difference, so just curious

That is the big problem with slabbing companies that don't insist on good quality images! CGS are as bad, a lot of their images are just token gestures, totally underexposed and blurred at times, as good as useless. Any 'jasmine' slabbers would surely be trawling the TPGC sites looking for the unidentifiable images and using those slab numbers on their own slabs, wouldn't they?

I think slab buyers, and slabbers, should begin insisting on quality images, especially when dealing with milled coinage!

I just bought a slabbed coin that looked much better in the hand than the photo had suggested it would. CGS had used very directional lighting that highlighted a surface flaw that 'in the flesh' was almost invisible to the naked eye. On the one had I was glad but on the other hand I know that their pic could be a problem if I come to sell it on. Although to be fair to them, even a bad CGS photo is almost always going to be better than a good ebay photo.

[azda 979]

Was trawling and came across this. 1st question, is it genuine? Anyone have access to the PCGS database to check the serial, if so, is the coin pictured the same as this?

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item56495adf45

If genuine, then fine, if not, slab collectors should be worried. Matt Proof, but seems to be quite heavily toned. Looking back at Pies Matte Shilling, there's quite a difference, so just curious

That is the big problem with slabbing companies that don't insist on good quality images! CGS are as bad, a lot of their images are just token gestures, totally underexposed and blurred at times, as good as useless. Any 'jasmine' slabbers would surely be trawling the TPGC sites looking for the unidentifiable images and using those slab numbers on their own slabs, wouldn't they?

I think slab buyers, and slabbers, should begin insisting on quality images, especially when dealing with milled coinage!

I just bought a slabbed coin that looked much better in the hand than the photo had suggested it would. CGS had used very directional lighting that highlighted a surface flaw that 'in the flesh' was almost invisible to the naked eye. On the one had I was glad but on the other hand I know that their pic could be a problem if I come to sell it on. Although to be fair to them, even a bad CGS photo is almost always going to be better than a good ebay photo.

I Take it you have'nt seen my photos then? My own opinion but i think my poctures represent my coins 100% accurately warts an all

[Peckris 579]

Was trawling and came across this. 1st question, is it genuine? Anyone have access to the PCGS database to check the serial, if so, is the coin pictured the same as this?

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item56495adf45

If genuine, then fine, if not, slab collectors should be worried. Matt Proof, but seems to be quite heavily toned. Looking back at Pies Matte Shilling, there's quite a difference, so just curious

That is the big problem with slabbing companies that don't insist on good quality images! CGS are as bad, a lot of their images are just token gestures, totally underexposed and blurred at times, as good as useless. Any 'jasmine' slabbers would surely be trawling the TPGC sites looking for the unidentifiable images and using those slab numbers on their own slabs, wouldn't they?

I think slab buyers, and slabbers, should begin insisting on quality images, especially when dealing with milled coinage!

I just bought a slabbed coin that looked much better in the hand than the photo had suggested it would. CGS had used very directional lighting that highlighted a surface flaw that 'in the flesh' was almost invisible to the naked eye. On the one had I was glad but on the other hand I know that their pic could be a problem if I come to sell it on. Although to be fair to them, even a bad CGS photo is almost always going to be better than a good ebay photo.

I Take it you have'nt seen my photos then? My own opinion but i think my poctures represent my coins 100% accurately warts an all

A pocture is a wart?

[azda 979]

My iPhone is spelling for me Mr Peckris

[Peckris 579]

My iPhone is spelling for me Mr Peckris

I guessed as much. But still, you must admit that getting 'pock' and 'wart' into the same sentence is nifty!

[ski 1]

the 1902 florin's location is also a concern for me......i dont think i would be buying it

[Coinery 1,153]

You might want the link below you can check any PCGS coin And this one comes back genuine

http://www.pcgs.com/cert/

I think you're missing a very important point here! I've just entered the number of the 1902 florin into the PCGS website and found nothing other than, simply put, 'yes, there is a Matt proof 1902 florin out there somewhere that's been authenticated by us'! Nothing more! It doesn't mean the one for sale here (and I'm not saying it isn't) is the one PCGS are talking about.

So, hypothetically speaking here, I've just smashed open my lovely, top-graded, Victoria Gothic Crown, and put the crown in my collection because I like it, and then photographed the slip, which I've now got on an A4 sheet duplicated 100 times, all with the same number on it! I've already been in touch with Mr Pachouli (known to his friends as Dave), and he's got me a hundred nice Gothics for £10k and thrown in a hundred hologrammed PCGS slabs for good measure! I've already got good feedback and, hey presto, another 100 satisfied customers have just left me some more, each having checked the number on their slab against the PCGS database! ££££££££££££££££££££££

As I say, what's needed is TOP quality photography, which actually allows people to check that the coin in their holder is actually the one that the TPGC put in there!

I don't mean photographs for the purpose of buying the coin, or making it easier to sell in the future, I mean photos that are clear enough to make a positive identification of the coin in your slab against the one on the database!

Edited August 24, 2012 by Coinery

[azda 979]

Stuart, you've hit the nail on the head. No picture but an easily accessable PCGS number, pop the fake into the fake PCGS holder (which are kicking about now) and Hey presto another piece of Shite kicking about

[azda 979]

Following on from this thread and all things China. Palves threw up a Florin recently that was faked. I'm not sure, but this could be another, this time 1852 from a British seller. I got a little suspicious when i noticed his old coins then three shiny new looking ones he had in Very high grades. He has a Queen Anne shilling along with a William III plus this Florin, all look too good, but it might just be my suspicious nature.

Below the I in BRITT you can see a raised spot. See what you think............Oh, ebay link is http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221111535764;jsessionid=CDAB242623CFDB4219B5B2A3BFAA05EB?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D221111535764%26_rdc%3D1 and the others i'm also looking at (Queen Anne http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fabulous-1708-Queen-Anne-Silver-Shilling-e6210-/221111520850?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item337b460e52 and (William III http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Beautiful-Condition-William-III-Silver-1700-Shilling-e6211-/320967543144?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item4abb280968

Hopefully the floin picture is big enough to see the spot under BRIT

[Peckris 579]

Following on from this thread and all things China. Palves threw up a Florin recently that was faked. I'm not sure, but this could be another, this time 1852 from a British seller. I got a little suspicious when i noticed his old coins then three shiny new looking ones he had in Very high grades. He has a Queen Anne shilling along with a William III plus this Florin, all look too good, but it might just be my suspicious nature.

Below the I in BRITT you can see a raised spot. See what you think............Oh, ebay link is http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221111535764;jsessionid=CDAB242623CFDB4219B5B2A3BFAA05EB?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D221111535764%26_rdc%3D1 and the others i'm also looking at (Queen Anne http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fabulous-1708-Queen-Anne-Silver-Shilling-e6210-/221111520850?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item337b460e52 and (William III http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Beautiful-Condition-William-III-Silver-1700-Shilling-e6211-/320967543144?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item4abb280968

Hopefully the floin picture is big enough to see the spot under BRIT

I'm unsure. I can't speak for the florin; the William isn't exactly top grade, but may have been dipped. As for the Anne shilling, mine is even better, but was bought in the 90s before the Chinese invasion. For some reason that particular Anne quite often turns up in virtually UNC condition (and is rated accordingly in ESC and Cope & Rayner.) So they may all be genuine. I can't see any spot beneath the 'i' of brit.

[azda 979]

Look under the I peck and nearer the forehead

[Peckris 579]

Look under the I peck and nearer the forehead

Oh yes, I see it - tiny, right? There appears to be two in fact. There again, it/they could be anything - a minute die flaw for example.

[azda 979]

Look under the I peck and nearer the forehead

Oh yes, I see it - tiny, right? There appears to be two in fact. There again, it/they could be anything - a minute die flaw for example.

Yes there's 2 spots. As i said, it might just be me

[ski 1]

there are other dots, 1 on the shoulder/neck and one on the chest......why would the 2 under the i of brit make you think its a fake? have these 2 dots appeared on known fakes?

ski

[azda 979]

there are other dots, 1 on the shoulder/neck and one on the chest......why would the 2 under the i of brit make you think its a fake? have these 2 dots appeared on known fakes?

ski

There was a very High Grade Florin posted by palves and was fiound to be fake. There was also a dot underneath the I of BRIT

[ski 1]

There was a very High Grade Florin posted by palves and was fiound to be fake. There was also a dot underneath the I of BRIT

ah okay ...thanks.

ski

[Peckris 579]

there are other dots, 1 on the shoulder/neck and one on the chest......why would the 2 under the i of brit make you think its a fake? have these 2 dots appeared on known fakes?

ski

There was a very High Grade Florin posted by palves and was fiound to be fake. There was also a dot underneath the I of BRIT

But if the dot was a genuine die flaw, wouldn't that too get reproduced on the fake? Maybe the only coins containing the dots are known fakes, but it would only take one genuine coin with dots, to disprove the theory.

[azda 979]

there are other dots, 1 on the shoulder/neck and one on the chest......why would the 2 under the i of brit make you think its a fake? have these 2 dots appeared on known fakes?

ski

There was a very High Grade Florin posted by palves and was fiound to be fake. There was also a dot underneath the I of BRIT

But if the dot was a genuine die flaw, wouldn't that too get reproduced on the fake? Maybe the only coins containing the dots are known fakes, but it would only take one genuine coin with dots, to disprove the theory.

Well i guess we'll just have to keep our eyes open for the same die flaws, i forgot Palves date Florin, don't think it was the same as this one, which would again make it strange if the dots were in the same place on to different years.

[pies 33]

I think this is the thread

http://www.predecimal.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=6934&st=0&p=69897&fromsearch=1entry69897