1841 Penny

[Accumulator 52]

I've noticed how much rarer the 'with colon' (after REG) version of the 1841 penny is and have been looking for a while. The ratio could be 1:10 or even lower. Interestingly Spink seem to have recently picked this up, as the UNC colon to no-colon prices were £725 v £600 in 2011 but had become £825 v £450.

Has anyone else noticed how rare these are?

Anyway I've found one in reasonable condition (the rim is actually even, though the photo suggests it isn't):

[VickySilver 830]

As much as I like pennies, I have to confess I have not even checked this type on my '41s....Will look and see.

Congratulations on a nice coin!

[Peter 615]

I love the tone of the coin especially the obverse.

[Chingford 166]

I've noticed how much rarer the 'with colon' (after REG) version of the 1841 penny is and have been looking for a while. The ratio could be 1:10 or even lower. Interestingly Spink seem to have recently picked this up, as the UNC colon to no-colon prices were £725 v £600 in 2011 but had become £825 v £450.

Has anyone else noticed how rare these are?

Anyway I've found one in reasonable condition (the rim is actually even, though the photo suggests it isn't):

Very rare, the reverse is likely from the 1841 proof die, the mane to Britainniars helmet and repaired 2nd A in Britainniar are consistent.

John

Edited September 4, 2012 by Chingford

[Accumulator 52]

I've noticed how much rarer the 'with colon' (after REG) version of the 1841 penny is and have been looking for a while. The ratio could be 1:10 or even lower. Interestingly Spink seem to have recently picked this up, as the UNC colon to no-colon prices were £725 v £600 in 2011 but had become £825 v £450.

Has anyone else noticed how rare these are?

Anyway I've found one in reasonable condition (the rim is actually even, though the photo suggests it isn't):

Very rare, the reverse is likely from the 1841 proof die, the mane to Britainniars helmet and repaired 2nd A in Britainniar are consistent.

John

Thank you for those pointers John! I hadn't noticed the triple mane (rather than the single) to the helmet. I'd noticed the repaired 'A' but not thought anything of it. I don't spend much time with my copper pennies (normally focussing on bronze). I have Peck but it contains little on the varieties. Is there another book worth getting for 1837-1860?

[Accumulator 52]

As an aside, my copy of Peck contains several old handwritten notes tucked between the leaves. I've always wondered which collector may have written them. Any thoughts?

Here's and example:

[Chingford 166]

Bramahs was before Peck and he lists more varieties than recorded by Peck, if you can find a copy

A Guide to the varieties and rarity of English Regal Copper coins Charles II 1671 - Victoria 1860 Ernest Bramah

Still not a complete guide as many are still unrecorded.

John

[Peckris 579]

As an aside, my copy of Peck contains several old handwritten notes tucked between the leaves. I've always wondered which collector may have written them. Any thoughts?

Here's and example:

Does your Peck have any provenance, Steve? How long have you had it, and have you any idea who the seller was?

[Accumulator 52]

As an aside, my copy of Peck contains several old handwritten notes tucked between the leaves. I've always wondered which collector may have written them. Any thoughts?

Here's and example:

Does your Peck have any provenance, Steve? How long have you had it, and have you any idea who the seller was?

Unfortunately not. Just a purchase from a second hand bookseller in London some years ago. There's nothing in the book itself to suggest the past owner(s).

[Accumulator 52]

Bramahs was before Peck and he lists more varieties than recorded by Peck, if you can find a copy

A Guide to the varieties and rarity of English Regal Copper coins Charles II 1671 - Victoria 1860 Ernest Bramah

Still not a complete guide as many are still unrecorded.

John

I've seen Bramah references several times but not taken a great deal of notice. Wikipedia makes interesting reading.... the very same Ernest Bramah was a noted witer of fiction apparently. George Orwell is said to have been influenced by him! One of his titles is indeed the coin book. See here

Edited September 4, 2012 by Accumulator

[Gary 7]

I have just looked at my two 1841 and have noticed other slight differences which I thought worthy of mention. I have highlighted them in the pics.

Back to the original question as to the rarity of the with colon, I would rate them rarer than the suggested 1:10 ratio. Just do a search through the dealers lists/Auction sites and see if one crops up!

Edited September 5, 2012 by Gary

[Accumulator 52]

I have just looked at my two 1841 and have noticed other slight differences which I thought worthy of mention. I have highlighted them in the pics.

Back to the original question as to the rarity of the with colon, I would rate them rarer than the suggested 1:10 ratio. Just do a search through the dealers lists/Auction sites and see if one crops up!

Well spotted Gary. I checked, and indeed my 1841 'no colon' exhibits these differences too.

Not sure why my photo is so blurry, but here it is:

Edited September 5, 2012 by Accumulator

[Peter 615]

Bah humbug I was looking for his book on coins