Fake in an NGC Slab!

[Coinery 1,153]

Ou est le £300 coin?

230855983448

[Paulus 1,975]

Ou est le £300 coin?

230855983448

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230855983448;jsessionid=FABC6E713C7654FA60F907E3DE95042C?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D230855983448%26_rdc%3D1

Edited October 12, 2012 by Paulus

[Peckris 579]

Ou est le £300 coin?

230855983448

£45 in F according to Spink 2005. It can't have gone up that much!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230855983448;jsessionid=FABC6E713C7654FA60F907E3DE95042C?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D230855983448%26_rdc%3D1

That link doesn't work (Strangely, this Reply shows it beginning "http", but the actual post has some gunk in front of that, including "newtab". Weird, or what?)

Wow, your edit must have gone through the instant I clicked Add Reply!

Edited October 12, 2012 by Peckris

[azda 979]

Same guy with the original post and the fake coin. He basically buys the Coins mostly from the UK for buttons, gets them slabbed and adds a few hundred £s, slabs must be expensive these days.

What i still don't understand is that he's in Patis so is PCGS now, so why ship to NGC?

Edited October 12, 2012 by azda

[Coinery 1,153]

Ou est le £300 coin?

230855983448

£45 in F according to Spink 2005. It can't have gone up that much!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230855983448;jsessionid=FABC6E713C7654FA60F907E3DE95042C?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D230855983448%26_rdc%3D1

That link doesn't work (Strangely, this Reply shows it beginning "http", but the actual post has some gunk in front of that, including "newtab". Weird, or what?)

Wow, your edit must have gone through the instant I clicked Add Reply!

Thanks, Paul!

A damaged/spiked and nastily cleaned one too, a very lucky Monsieur would get £45 in 2012!

[Coinery 1,153]

Spink 2012 is £50 in fine!

[Peckris 579]

Ou est le £300 coin?

230855983448

£45 in F according to Spink 2005. It can't have gone up that much!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230855983448;jsessionid=FABC6E713C7654FA60F907E3DE95042C?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D230855983448%26_rdc%3D1

That link doesn't work (Strangely, this Reply shows it beginning "http", but the actual post has some gunk in front of that, including "newtab". Weird, or what?)

Wow, your edit must have gone through the instant I clicked Add Reply!

Thanks, Paul!

A damaged/spiked and nastily cleaned one too, a very lucky Monsieur would get £45 in 2012!

Oh that's perfectly normal apparently

[Hussulo 6]

And what the hell does VF Details mean?

I think it means it grades VF but because it is a problem coin they wont give it a specific grade, ie VF30 or VF35.

The only good thing about it for the buyer is, NGC should offer a full market value of a coin that has been slabbed that turns out to be non genuine.

I think although TGP (grading companies) play there part, any coin should be bought with prior diligence. I have some nice coins in both NGC and PCGS slabs but I know they are over graded by UK standards. I bought them knowing this and paid accordingly, or the price for there UK grade.

What gets up my nose is when someone tries to sell an MS coin that may only grade as EF at Spink Unc prices.

Out of all the slabbing companies I have seen, for British coins and grading, I think CGS are the best bet.

[RLC35 288]

Huss,

You are right, about a "Details" coin graded by NGC. Anything that does not qualify for regular slabbed grading, will be given a details grading. A details graded coin is only guaranteed to be authentic, and the grade that is given, is what the coin would "probably" grade without what ever defect is has...ie...Improper cleaning, scratches, etc. About the only value to "Details" grading, is to authenticate the coin as original. This grading is usually used for high value coins that have a defect of some kind.

[Peter 615]

And what the hell does VF Details mean?

I think it means it grades VF but because it is a problem coin they wont give it a specific grade, ie VF30 or VF35.

The only good thing about it for the buyer is, NGC should offer a full market value of a coin that has been slabbed that turns out to be non genuine.

I think although TGP (grading companies) play there part, any coin should be bought with prior diligence. I have some nice coins in both NGC and PCGS slabs but I know they are over graded by UK standards. I bought them knowing this and paid accordingly, or the price for there UK grade.

What gets up my nose is when someone tries to sell an MS coin that may only grade as EF at Spink Unc prices.

Out of all the slabbing companies I have seen, for British coins and grading, I think CGS are the best bet.

Who in their right mind will pay a premium for some Mickey Mouse TPG to tell them what they have.?

[Gary D 76]

And what the hell does VF Details mean?

I think it means it grades VF but because it is a problem coin they wont give it a specific grade, ie VF30 or VF35.

The only good thing about it for the buyer is, NGC should offer a full market value of a coin that has been slabbed that turns out to be non genuine.

I think although TGP (grading companies) play there part, any coin should be bought with prior diligence. I have some nice coins in both NGC and PCGS slabs but I know they are over graded by UK standards. I bought them knowing this and paid accordingly, or the price for there UK grade.

What gets up my nose is when someone tries to sell an MS coin that may only grade as EF at Spink Unc prices.

Out of all the slabbing companies I have seen, for British coins and grading, I think CGS are the best bet.

Who in their right mind will pay a premium for some Mickey Mouse TPG to tell them what they have.?

There's currenly a thread on another forum in the US where they are dicussing some common to us coins (GV pennies) that they are struggling to get in high number slabs and are paying four times the raw price because they do not consider it safe to buy raw.

[Coinery 1,153]

And what the hell does VF Details mean?

I think it means it grades VF but because it is a problem coin they wont give it a specific grade, ie VF30 or VF35.

The only good thing about it for the buyer is, NGC should offer a full market value of a coin that has been slabbed that turns out to be non genuine.

I think although TGP (grading companies) play there part, any coin should be bought with prior diligence. I have some nice coins in both NGC and PCGS slabs but I know they are over graded by UK standards. I bought them knowing this and paid accordingly, or the price for there UK grade.

What gets up my nose is when someone tries to sell an MS coin that may only grade as EF at Spink Unc prices.

Out of all the slabbing companies I have seen, for British coins and grading, I think CGS are the best bet.

Who in their right mind will pay a premium for some Mickey Mouse TPG to tell them what they have.?

"it's got a hole in it, been cleaned with a Brillo pad, and is possibly made of silver"! Oh, and "we think it's a 4p! Ah, no, hang on, sorry, we think it's a sixpence"!

Ahh, and not forgetting "there's a serif on the E that's got VF detail"! Actually, we should say "VF details," as it may have been, but for the Dick Emery clean! Emery as in cloth/paper! Dick, as in...well we know that bit!

Oh, and that's £25 thank-you, Sir! It's been our pleasure 'Monsieur' please call again!