Help with the-saleroom LIVE bidding!

[Coinery 1,153]

I've registered to bid live on the saleroom tomorrow (StJames) and was just wondering what to expect?

Is it quite literally enter your max bid and hit the button as and when, much like a 5 second snipe on eBay? I presume it doesn't work on a bid, outbid, enter another bid, etc, or does it?

Any thoughts/tips would really be appreciated (before lunchtime tomorrow[today]).

[Rob 3,152]

I've registered to bid live on the saleroom tomorrow (StJames) and was just wondering what to expect?

Is it quite literally enter your max bid and hit the button as and when, much like a 5 second snipe on eBay? I presume it doesn't work on a bid, outbid, enter another bid, etc, or does it?

Any thoughts/tips would really be appreciated (before lunchtime tomorrow[today]).

The answer depends on whether I want the same lot(s) as you do.

It is straightforward. You register, then as each lot opens there is a bid button at the level set by the auctioneer. Obviously the room bids are spotted quicker than the internet because once the lot is open, you have to respond and then the person manning the internet bids has to register your bid and convey it to the auctioneer. The lag is less than a second, but in that time someone in the room has probably already put their hand up. It tells you if you are the high bidder, so you can't bid against yourself. If you are outbid, you have the chance to return with a higher bid. You can't enter an oddball arbitrary number in the same way as you can with a book bid, so you have to bid on what the auctioneer is asking for.

[Coinery 1,153]

I've registered to bid live on the saleroom tomorrow (StJames) and was just wondering what to expect?

Is it quite literally enter your max bid and hit the button as and when, much like a 5 second snipe on eBay? I presume it doesn't work on a bid, outbid, enter another bid, etc, or does it?

Any thoughts/tips would really be appreciated (before lunchtime tomorrow[today]).

The answer depends on whether I want the same lot(s) as you do.

It is straightforward. You register, then as each lot opens there is a bid button at the level set by the auctioneer. Obviously the room bids are spotted quicker than the internet because once the lot is open, you have to respond and then the person manning the internet bids has to register your bid and convey it to the auctioneer. The lag is less than a second, but in that time someone in the room has probably already put their hand up. It tells you if you are the high bidder, so you can't bid against yourself. If you are outbid, you have the chance to return with a higher bid. You can't enter an oddball arbitrary number in the same way as you can with a book bid, so you have to bid on what the auctioneer is asking for.

Thanks, Rob! So NO entering of numbers at all, just single clicks of a button if you are happy to continue with the bidding?

Also, do you click on the opening bid straight away to let them know you're out there and interested?

And then, if two others are throwing their handbags at each other on the floor, will the bid come back to me for a chance to bid? Or do I just have to keep clicking every time the screen is asking for it?

[Rob 3,152]

I've registered to bid live on the saleroom tomorrow (StJames) and was just wondering what to expect?

Is it quite literally enter your max bid and hit the button as and when, much like a 5 second snipe on eBay? I presume it doesn't work on a bid, outbid, enter another bid, etc, or does it?

Any thoughts/tips would really be appreciated (before lunchtime tomorrow[today]).

The answer depends on whether I want the same lot(s) as you do.

It is straightforward. You register, then as each lot opens there is a bid button at the level set by the auctioneer. Obviously the room bids are spotted quicker than the internet because once the lot is open, you have to respond and then the person manning the internet bids has to register your bid and convey it to the auctioneer. The lag is less than a second, but in that time someone in the room has probably already put their hand up. It tells you if you are the high bidder, so you can't bid against yourself. If you are outbid, you have the chance to return with a higher bid. You can't enter an oddball arbitrary number in the same way as you can with a book bid, so you have to bid on what the auctioneer is asking for.

Thanks, Rob! So NO entering of numbers at all, just single clicks of a button if you are happy to continue with the bidding?

Also, do you click on the opening bid straight away to let them know you're out there and interested?

And then, if two others are throwing their handbags at each other on the floor, will the bid come back to me for a chance to bid? Or do I just have to keep clicking every time the screen is asking for it?

You can try clicking, but it won't make any difference. Just as with a conventional auction, the auctioneer will stay with two competing bidders until one drops out. If you get in first, then your bid will be taken, but I suspect human nature takes over at some point because it is more natural to flick between two floor bidders than it is an anonymous screen with its inherent delays.

[Coinery 1,153]

Thanks again, I think I'm just panicking about the hammer falling before I get my bid away, though I'm sure it'll all come out in the wash! Good luck with your own bids tomorrow!

[Peter 615]

I confess as working from home the internet bidder doesn't always get the prize.

In the room you still can get the last call.The internet is great but as long as you know what you are after and have set your limits.....who cares?

[Rob 3,152]

Thanks again, I think I'm just panicking about the hammer falling before I get my bid away, though I'm sure it'll all come out in the wash! Good luck with your own bids tomorrow!

It will all work fine.

[Accumulator 52]

I've used the system several times and, as Rob says, not had a problem. Watch a few lots before your own comes up and you will quickly get the hang of it. The auctioneer always gives time after the last high bid before bringing the hammer down, so you won't miss out on anything if you're quick.

Just one important think to watch for: when you log in, you specify whether you want to be able to bid or just watch the auction. It's possible to be watching for a while and forget you haven't actually logged in to bid! Always ensure that you have the live BID button on your screen otherwise your lot will arrive and you won't be able to bid. Good luck!

[Coinery 1,153]

I've used the system several times and, as Rob says, not had a problem. Watch a few lots before your own comes up and you will quickly get the hang of it. The auctioneer always gives time after the last high bid before bringing the hammer down, so you won't miss out on anything if you're quick.

Just one important think to watch for: when you log in, you specify whether you want to be able to bid or just watch the auction. It's possible to be watching for a while and forget you haven't actually logged in to bid! Always ensure that you have the live BID button on your screen otherwise your lot will arrive and you won't be able to bid. Good luck!

Thanks for the tip! I've done something similar, several times on eBay ( before Auction Sniper), where I've excitedly keyed in my top bid and hovered my mouse over 'place bid,' ready to strike in the final seconds! How often I've been left feeling sick, when a 'confirm bid' button arrives on the screen, instead of 'you are the winner'! These are invariably the coins that finish at £50 and your top bid was £300!

It was even easier to make this error on the iPhone eBay app.!

[azda 979]

As wirh an eBay snipe Never Show your hand until later. Bidding Can be fast and furious and may well go past what you are prepared to pay anyway, if it does'nt and it slows down thats when i jump in.

There is also on a majority of theae auctions a 3% surcharge for bidding live with the Saleroom

[Coinery 1,153]

As wirh an eBay snipe Never Show your hand until later. Bidding Can be fast and furious and may well go past what you are prepared to pay anyway, if it does'nt and it slows down thats when i jump in.

There is also on a majority of theae auctions a 3% surcharge for bidding live with the Saleroom

Thanks, Dave, I'm actually feeling nervous! Can't say I ever experienced major nerves on the floor before!

I think on this occasion the Live Bidding is free, but StJames 20% "PLUS" VAT is a little strong! Guess I'll just have to factor it in!

[Rob 3,152]

As wirh an eBay snipe Never Show your hand until later. Bidding Can be fast and furious and may well go past what you are prepared to pay anyway, if it does'nt and it slows down thats when i jump in.

There is also on a majority of theae auctions a 3% surcharge for bidding live with the Saleroom

Thanks, Dave, I'm actually feeling nervous! Can't say I ever experienced major nerves on the floor before!

I think on this occasion the Live Bidding is free, but StJames 20% "PLUS" VAT is a little strong! Guess I'll just have to factor it in!

Spink, DNW, St. James's, Baldwins are all charging this. Just add a quarter to your maximum bid.

[pies 33]

Anybody know what the typical delivery charges are i cant seem to find it

cheers

[Rob 3,152]

Anybody know what the typical delivery charges are i cant seem to find it

cheers

Special delivery plus a little bit for packaging. £10 in the odd hundred or thousand or two won't break the bank.

[pies 33]

Cheers

[Gary D 76]

Anybody know what the typical delivery charges are i cant seem to find it

cheers

Special delivery plus a little bit for packaging. £10 in the odd hundred or thousand or two won't break the bank.

I won a lot at the Baldwins auction last week via the Saleroom. What happens now? Do I get an invoice though the post or by email etc.?

[azda 979]

Most of My invoices have come by email, i then Phone them to Pay. Regarding postage, some auction houses use 3rd Party carriers and they basically Charge what they want. I've had postage costs ranging from £10 to £25 in extreme cases and thats only for coins shipped inside the UK and not to me in Germany.

[azda 979]

Anybody know what the typical delivery charges are i cant seem to find it

cheers

Bear in mind Gary, baldwins had 3 sales last week so they will be busy and may Take a week to get your invoice

Special delivery plus a little bit for packaging. £10 in the odd hundred or thousand or two won't break the bank.

I won a lot at the Baldwins auction last week via the Saleroom. What happens now? Do I get an invoice though the post or by email etc.?

[Peckris 579]

Thanks again, I think I'm just panicking about the hammer falling before I get my bid away, though I'm sure it'll all come out in the wash! Good luck with your own bids tomorrow!

I don't know if you ever watch Bargain Hunt on BBC? Some of those auctions feature internet bidders. They are treated just like floor bidders, except as has been noted, competing floor bidders will get the main auctioneer attention (but think about it - if you were there in person and two people were slugging it out, you would wait until EITHER they passed your maximum OR one dropped out, at which point you would jump in; so with the internet).

As for not getting noticed, if only one bidder is left on the floor, the auctioneer will always glance towards the phones/computers before hammering - he will want to be sure there are no more competing bids. The only problem would be if you suffered an internet dropout, or there was a server delay; but there's nothing you can do about those situations anyway. So don't worry!

[Coinery 1,153]

Thanks again, I think I'm just panicking about the hammer falling before I get my bid away, though I'm sure it'll all come out in the wash! Good luck with your own bids tomorrow!

I don't know if you ever watch Bargain Hunt on BBC? Some of those auctions feature internet bidders. They are treated just like floor bidders, except as has been noted, competing floor bidders will get the main auctioneer attention (but think about it - if you were there in person and two people were slugging it out, you would wait until EITHER they passed your maximum OR one dropped out, at which point you would jump in; so with the internet).

As for not getting noticed, if only one bidder is left on the floor, the auctioneer will always glance towards the phones/computers before hammering - he will want to be sure there are no more competing bids. The only problem would be if you suffered an internet dropout, or there was a server delay; but there's nothing you can do about those situations anyway. So don't worry!

Thanks, Chris! I guess it was not having the picture in my mind about how things worked in the room, it's getting there!

It's not as if I'm looking to set the world on fire today, I'm just looking to slightly upgrade a coin, that will be sold if I'm successful. I bought the current one less than half price, so I can bid quite strongly on the replacement, and still not be out of pocket, hopefully!

[Peckris 579]

Thanks again, I think I'm just panicking about the hammer falling before I get my bid away, though I'm sure it'll all come out in the wash! Good luck with your own bids tomorrow!

I don't know if you ever watch Bargain Hunt on BBC? Some of those auctions feature internet bidders. They are treated just like floor bidders, except as has been noted, competing floor bidders will get the main auctioneer attention (but think about it - if you were there in person and two people were slugging it out, you would wait until EITHER they passed your maximum OR one dropped out, at which point you would jump in; so with the internet).

As for not getting noticed, if only one bidder is left on the floor, the auctioneer will always glance towards the phones/computers before hammering - he will want to be sure there are no more competing bids. The only problem would be if you suffered an internet dropout, or there was a server delay; but there's nothing you can do about those situations anyway. So don't worry!

Thanks, Chris! I guess it was not having the picture in my mind about how things worked in the room, it's getting there!

It's not as if I'm looking to set the world on fire today, I'm just looking to slightly upgrade a coin, that will be sold if I'm successful. I bought the current one less than half price, so I can bid quite strongly on the replacement, and still not be out of pocket, hopefully!

Just out of interest, what's the coin you're looking to upgrade?

[Rob 3,152]

Thanks again, I think I'm just panicking about the hammer falling before I get my bid away, though I'm sure it'll all come out in the wash! Good luck with your own bids tomorrow!

I don't know if you ever watch Bargain Hunt on BBC? Some of those auctions feature internet bidders. They are treated just like floor bidders, except as has been noted, competing floor bidders will get the main auctioneer attention (but think about it - if you were there in person and two people were slugging it out, you would wait until EITHER they passed your maximum OR one dropped out, at which point you would jump in; so with the internet).

As for not getting noticed, if only one bidder is left on the floor, the auctioneer will always glance towards the phones/computers before hammering - he will want to be sure there are no more competing bids. The only problem would be if you suffered an internet dropout, or there was a server delay; but there's nothing you can do about those situations anyway. So don't worry!

As happened at Spink last week. Spink Live was dead. I wrote the day off and did something else. Pity though because there were a couple of nice guineas in the sale.

[Coinery 1,153]

Just out of interest, what's the coin you're looking to upgrade?

Just a box-standard, most common of all the Elizabeth sixpences (lot 396)! Also, I can't stop returning to look at the threepence (399), still haven't decided about that one, even now!

The sixpence isn't really a better grade, it's just a little more 'balanced,' I'm just not certain about that obverse tone, so I'm trusting in poor white balance on this occasion.

[Rob 3,152]

Just out of interest, what's the coin you're looking to upgrade?

Just a box-standard, most common of all the Elizabeth sixpences (lot 396)! Also, I can't stop returning to look at the threepence (399), still haven't decided about that one, even now!

The sixpence isn't really a better grade, it's just a little more 'balanced,' I'm just not certain about that obverse tone, so I'm trusting in poor white balance on this occasion.

You will doubtless be pleased to know that although it was on my initial provisional list, it has now been discarded.

[Peckris 579]

Just out of interest, what's the coin you're looking to upgrade?

Just a box-standard, most common of all the Elizabeth sixpences (lot 396)! Also, I can't stop returning to look at the threepence (399), still haven't decided about that one, even now!

The sixpence isn't really a better grade, it's just a little more 'balanced,' I'm just not certain about that obverse tone, so I'm trusting in poor white balance on this occasion.

Ah, hammered. I really cannot get any enthusiasm for the medieval period, except those late finework coins which someone posted pictures of. I wouldn't know what a bog-standard Liz sixpence was if it jumped up and bit me!