1893 penny, wide and narrow dates?

[scott 144]

looked in CCGB 09, and saw that the 1892 narrow was listed in there, but nothing about the date spreads of 1893?

they do exist, just not listed in there.

[1949threepence 3,367]

I don't know about wider and narrower date widths for the 1893, Scott. Although they may exist.

As you say, there is definitely a subtle width disparity in1892 pennies, as confirmed by Gouby. Normal width 9½ teeth from 1 to the tail of 9, and 8½ teeth from 1 to tail of 9. Obviously nothing like as obvious as those that existed in 1874, 1875, 1876, 1877 & 1879, but there, nonetheless.

I know there were various font 3's used in the minting of 1893 pennies, as well as the 1893/2 example. You might want to consider buying the aforesaid Gouby's, "The British Bronze Penny 1860 to 1901†Victoria specialised edition" first publised in December 2009. As a matter of fact, I'm seriously considering buying it myself, even though it is quite expensive.

Hopefully somebody else on here will have heard of the wide/narrow date 1893's you refer to.

[scott 144]

they do exist

actually this will clear it up.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1893-Penny-2-coins-wide-and-SCARCE-narrow-dates-/200860279955?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&nma=true&si=pB5oDIE9zR9VtmKyOCsl628Yklw%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

first time i have heard of it myself. but it is clear there,

also read about 1889 90 narrows and a 91 wide oh and an 89 wider as well.

only found 1 example of an 1893 narrow in the crocker collection that was NEF though.

it is unlisted.

dunno if there is a new edition of Gouby after that sale, because it wouldn't be listed otherwise.

and it opesn the possibilty of 1894's

Edited December 14, 2012 by scott

[Peter 615]

That is obvious.

Once varieties are published and accepted it creates demand.

[1949threepence 3,367]

they do exist

actually this will clear it up.

http://www.ebay.co.u...cvip=true&rt=nc

first time i have heard of it myself. but it is clear there,

also read about 1889 90 narrows and a 91 wide oh and an 89 wider as well.

only found 1 example of an 1893 narrow in the crocker collection that was NEF though.

it is unlisted.

dunno if there is a new edition of Gouby after that sale, because it wouldn't be listed otherwise.

and it opesn the possibilty of 1894's

Thanks for that, Scott.

The 1893 I bought from the Edinburgh collection, has a '3' which looks pretty much identical to that narrow date one you showed. Almost as though it's leaning slightly to the right, but it definitely isn't a narrow date, sadly.

I note that the 1893 narrow date in the Crocker Collection is soon to be listed by Gouby as a separate variety.

Edited December 15, 2012 by 1949threepence

[Peckris 579]

they do exist

actually this will clear it up.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1893-Penny-2-coins-wide-and-SCARCE-narrow-dates-/200860279955?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&nma=true&si=pB5oDIE9zR9VtmKyOCsl628Yklw%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

first time i have heard of it myself. but it is clear there,

also read about 1889 90 narrows and a 91 wide oh and an 89 wider as well.

only found 1 example of an 1893 narrow in the crocker collection that was NEF though.

it is unlisted.

dunno if there is a new edition of Gouby after that sale, because it wouldn't be listed otherwise.

and it opesn the possibilty of 1894's

To me, that's no more obvious (or desirable) than the 1893 farthing "narrow date". It isn't in the same category of date width difference as the 1875 - 1879 varieties, IMO - and those have other differences also, making them different die designs.

[1949threepence 3,367]

they do exist

actually this will clear it up.

http://www.ebay.co.u...cvip=true&rt=nc

first time i have heard of it myself. but it is clear there,

also read about 1889 90 narrows and a 91 wide oh and an 89 wider as well.

only found 1 example of an 1893 narrow in the crocker collection that was NEF though.

it is unlisted.

dunno if there is a new edition of Gouby after that sale, because it wouldn't be listed otherwise.

and it opesn the possibilty of 1894's

To me, that's no more obvious (or desirable) than the 1893 farthing "narrow date". It isn't in the same category of date width difference as the 1875 - 1879 varieties, IMO - and those have other differences also, making them different die designs.

That's true. The differences are only very subtle and not obvious at first glance, whereas 1874 to 1879, absolutely hit you in the eye.

[scott 144]

i have the 1879

and wasn't there 4 varieties of the farthing?

but yea, why is the 92 listed?