1882 Penny on Ebay

[Coppers 58]

For anyone who might be interested...

link

[VickySilver 830]

Ouch! Why do almost all the '82 London pennies look as though they've been lying at the bottom of some creek for 100+ years?

[Colin88 54]

Rare but nasty...a bit like an old Berni Inn steak....

[scott 144]

WAY out of my price range.

dont care how nasty it looks, rare is rare. you seen my satin 19

[pies 33]

sorry id rather spend the money on something which looks a bit better

[azda 979]

Ouch! Why do almost all the '82 London pennies look as though they've been lying at the bottom of some creek for 100+ years?

Bernie Workmans looks brand new

[VickySilver 830]

Have that catalogue somewhere, able to post a picture?

I seem to recall a posting on these boards about these before.

I am not convinced there definately was only one die combination

as the extant population is either too worn, and/or decent specimens

far too few to make such a pronouncement IMO.

[azda 979]

Have that catalogue somewhere, able to post a picture?

I seem to recall a posting on these boards about these before.

I am not convinced there definately was only one die combination

as the extant population is either too worn, and/or decent specimens

far too few to make such a pronouncement IMO.

Bernie has one of the best Penny collections in the UK, what he does'nt know about Pennies you could write on the back of a postage stamp. I recall he once posted the coin here somewhere, can't remember where though. Maybe he'll pop back in and drop a picture for us

Edited February 6, 2013 by azda

[VickySilver 830]

I also seem to recall Spink having a Mint State specimen in about 1980 that was pictured in at least one of their SNCs (the good ole days)..

[1949threepence 3,367]

For anyone who might be interested...

link

Although extremely rare, I wouldn't go for anything as poor looking as that.

Bernie has one of the best Penny collections in the UK, what he does'nt know about Pennies you could write on the back of a postage stamp. I recall he once posted the coin here somewhere, can't remember where though. Maybe he'll pop back in and drop a picture for us

It's here

I remember it well. Not the best pic in the world, but you get the general impression of a nice coin.

[1949threepence 3,367]

The Royal Mint state that no bronze coinage was struck at the London MInt during 1882.

Remains open to speculation whether they were struck in error at Birmingham, minus the H.

[Colin88 54]

Bernie had one of the best collections.....he sold most of it if I recall.......? Even his duplicates of which I bought many were fab.

Peter Simon's collection (Alderney) was fairly impressive too ....especially in the short time frame he completed it in....mind you having several hundred million quid in your hod does help..

[Peckris 579]

Rare but nasty...a bit like an old Berni Inn steak....

Having worked for them in the 70s, I can truly and heartfelt agree with you

sorry id rather spend the money on something which looks a bit better

Agreed

The Royal Mint state that no bronze coinage was struck at the London MInt during 1882.

Remains open to speculation whether they were struck in error at Birmingham, minus the H.

Yet the dies are different...?

[1949threepence 3,367]

The Royal Mint state that no bronze coinage was struck at the London MInt during 1882.

Remains open to speculation whether they were struck in error at Birmingham, minus the H.

Yet the dies are different...?

Have you got a theory ?

[Peckris 579]

The Royal Mint state that no bronze coinage was struck at the London MInt during 1882.

Remains open to speculation whether they were struck in error at Birmingham, minus the H.

Yet the dies are different...?

Have you got a theory ?

The only thing I can come up with, is that the reason for farming the mintage out to Heaton was the extensive work being done at the Mint (electrification?). Maybe the London pennies mintage was simply to test new machinery, and either was supposed to be melted down or, being kosher pennies, were released into circulation on the grounds that no-one would notice.

[Nick 329]

The Royal Mint state that no bronze coinage was struck at the London MInt during 1882.

Remains open to speculation whether they were struck in error at Birmingham, minus the H.

Yet the dies are different...?

Have you got a theory ?

The only thing I can come up with, is that the reason for farming the mintage out to Heaton was the extensive work being done at the Mint (electrification?). Maybe the London pennies mintage was simply to test new machinery, and either was supposed to be melted down or, being kosher pennies, were released into circulation on the grounds that no-one would notice.

Or maybe the 1882 (no H) pennies were produced at the Royal Mint in 1881 or 1883.

[davidrj 194]

Interestingly the cupro nickel pennies for Jamaica were minted exclusively at the Royal Mint from 1869 to 1928, except for 1882 when pennies were minted at both the RM and Heaton, 1916 (Heaton only) and 1919 (Ottawa only)

The 1882 London (no H) pennies are scarce, and I've yet to be convinced most of these are not due to wear or a filled die - considering the total recorded mintage for 1882 was just 48,000 then possibly RM strikings were also just trial strikings of penny coins in cupro nickel

The 1882 Mauritius copper 5c exists only with the Heaton mintmark, but a proof no H,

Cyprus 1881 and 1882 copper is all Heaton, with RM for all other years 1879-1900

No Straits or Hong Kong copper for 1882 but silver is exclusively Heaton for both,

Canadian cents again just Heaton for 1882

Edited February 8, 2013 by davidrj

[azda 979]

Bernie had one of the best collections.....he sold most of it if I recall.......? Even his duplicates of which I bought many were fab.

Peter Simon's collection (Alderney) was fairly impressive too ....especially in the short time frame he completed it in....mind you having several hundred million quid in your hod does help..

Bernies son sold off his collection but never heard of Bernie selling his

[ski 1]

sooooooo poor even cgs rejected it!!!!.

ive never bought one of berni's coins, not sure if i had one of his steaks either.

examples of coins such as this are an indicator of how my coin collection has changed over the years, although i would have never wanted to own something so worn as this penny, no matter how rare. I have now moved away from date runs etc and just save my money and buy just 1 high grade piece from time to time, mostly silver and whatever catches my eye...... this coin certainly doesnt.

if indeed the die was clogged or the "h" worn away on the reverse, arent the obverses an indicator ???

ski.

[Peckris 579]

Interestingly the cupro nickel pennies for Jamaica were minted exclusively at the Royal Mint from 1869 to 1928, except for 1882 when pennies were minted at both the RM and Heaton, 1916 (Heaton only) and 1919 (Ottawa only)

The 1882 Mauritius copper 5c exists only with the Heaton mintmark, but a proof no H,

Cyprus 1881 and 1882 copper is all Heaton, with RM for all other years 1879-1900

No Straits or Hong Kong copper for 1882 but silver is exclusively Heaton for both,

Canadian cents again just Heaton for 1882

I think this lends credence to the theory that the Mint was so preoccupied with alterations in 1882, that a lot of its work - particularly low value denominations - was farmed out to Heatons.

if indeed the die was clogged or the "h" worn away on the reverse, arent the obverses an indicator ???

Yes - the particular obverse / reverse die combination for London 1882s does not occur on any of the Heaton pennies, so is a sure-fire indicator.

[1949threepence 3,367]

Interestingly the cupro nickel pennies for Jamaica were minted exclusively at the Royal Mint from 1869 to 1928, except for 1882 when pennies were minted at both the RM and Heaton, 1916 (Heaton only) and 1919 (Ottawa only)

The 1882 Mauritius copper 5c exists only with the Heaton mintmark, but a proof no H,

Cyprus 1881 and 1882 copper is all Heaton, with RM for all other years 1879-1900

No Straits or Hong Kong copper for 1882 but silver is exclusively Heaton for both,

Canadian cents again just Heaton for 1882

I think this lends credence to the theory that the Mint was so preoccupied with alterations in 1882, that a lot of its work - particularly low value denominations - was farmed out to Heatons.

if indeed the die was clogged or the "h" worn away on the reverse, arent the obverses an indicator ???

Yes - the particular obverse / reverse die combination for London 1882s does not occur on any of the Heaton pennies, so is a sure-fire indicator.

Yes, and whilst that is a very compelling argument in favour of the 1882 no H existing as a literal separate entity, it does not actually preclude the possibility that they were produced at Birmingham, as both sides of the die combination 11 + N were used in other Heaton die pairings for 1882H.

We will never know the actuality. All we can do is speculate.

Edited February 8, 2013 by 1949threepence

[Accumulator 52]

Well it finally went for £871. I didn't bother, there comes a point where a coin is just too ugly, no matter how rare. Especially knowing that better examples do exist.

[1949threepence 3,367]

Well it finally went for £871. I didn't bother, there comes a point where a coin is just too ugly, no matter how rare. Especially knowing that better examples do exist.

I agree. Despite the rarity it would look totally out of place in an otherwise mainly UNC collection.

[azda 979]

Well it finally went for £871. I didn't bother, there comes a point where a coin is just too ugly, no matter how rare. Especially knowing that better examples do exist.

I agree. Despite the rarity it would look totally out of place in an otherwise mainly UNC collection.

Well bugger me with a rotating cactus...............I did'nt realise there was that many 1882 no Hs out there that you had to choose from.

Show me those UNCs, real interested in those, or those in worse condition, fuck, do you actually have one?

Edited February 14, 2013 by azda

[azda 979]

Well it finally went for £871. I didn't bother, there comes a point where a coin is just too ugly, no matter how rare. Especially knowing that better examples do exist.

I agree. Despite the rarity it would look totally out of place in an otherwise mainly UNC collection.

and ure UNC collection of BUNHEADS is?