Thoughts on Grading

[Red Riley 2]

I would hope they gave it authenticity! I bought it at Warwick & Warwick in the 90s, but I can't remember what grade they said. I personally think it's more than Fair, but not Fine. But CGS would be stricter I'm sure.

Actually I'm not. Not sure lower grade is really their thing. Probably said this before but I've certainly seen one of theirs graded F which really should have struggled to make Fair. Could have been an aberration, but unlikely as it was hen's teeth rare.

In this case I'd give it NF but could change in hand.

Edited March 24, 2013 by Red Riley

[Peckris 579]

I would hope they gave it authenticity! I bought it at Warwick & Warwick in the 90s, but I can't remember what grade they said. I personally think it's more than Fair, but not Fine. But CGS would be stricter I'm sure.

Actually I'm not. Not sure lower grade is really their thing. Probably said this before but I've certainly seen one of theirs graded F which really should have struggled to make Fair. Could have been an aberration, but unlikely as it was hen's teeth rare.

In this case I'd give it NF but could change in hand.

A good £69 worth - that definitely doesn't suck!

[argentumandcoins 70]

I would hope they gave it authenticity! I bought it at Warwick & Warwick in the 90s, but I can't remember what grade they said. I personally think it's more than Fair, but not Fine. But CGS would be stricter I'm sure.

Actually I'm not. Not sure lower grade is really their thing. Probably said this before but I've certainly seen one of theirs graded F which really should have struggled to make Fair. Could have been an aberration, but unlikely as it was hen's teeth rare.

In this case I'd give it NF but could change in hand.

A good £69 worth - that definitely doesn't suck!

I concur with your assessment of Fair+ Peck (obv better, reverse only Fair), but at £69 you stole it! I am old school when it comes to this issue and find it hard to reconcile F, GF and NVF (which most dealers and auctioneers would grade it) with a coin exhibiting so much wear.

Edited March 24, 2013 by argentumandcoins

[Peckris 579]

I would hope they gave it authenticity! I bought it at Warwick & Warwick in the 90s, but I can't remember what grade they said. I personally think it's more than Fair, but not Fine. But CGS would be stricter I'm sure.

Actually I'm not. Not sure lower grade is really their thing. Probably said this before but I've certainly seen one of theirs graded F which really should have struggled to make Fair. Could have been an aberration, but unlikely as it was hen's teeth rare.

In this case I'd give it NF but could change in hand.

A good £69 worth - that definitely doesn't suck!

I concur with your assessment of Fair+ Peck (obv better, reverse only Fair), but at £69 you stole it! I am old school when it comes to this issue and find it hard to reconcile F, GF and NVF (which most dealers and auctioneers would grade it) with a coin exhibiting so much wear.

I think W&W back then were more realistic in their grading, and (if memory serves) didn't rate it even Fine. But prices have certainly gone up dramatically since then! But it wasn't as much of a steal as my 1903, which I bought from a US dealer for the princely sum of £26 !!!!

[argentumandcoins 70]

I would hope they gave it authenticity! I bought it at Warwick & Warwick in the 90s, but I can't remember what grade they said. I personally think it's more than Fair, but not Fine. But CGS would be stricter I'm sure.

Actually I'm not. Not sure lower grade is really their thing. Probably said this before but I've certainly seen one of theirs graded F which really should have struggled to make Fair. Could have been an aberration, but unlikely as it was hen's teeth rare.

In this case I'd give it NF but could change in hand.

A good £69 worth - that definitely doesn't suck!

I concur with your assessment of Fair+ Peck (obv better, reverse only Fair), but at £69 you stole it! I am old school when it comes to this issue and find it hard to reconcile F, GF and NVF (which most dealers and auctioneers would grade it) with a coin exhibiting so much wear.

I think W&W back then were more realistic in their grading, and (if memory serves) didn't rate it even Fine. But prices have certainly gone up dramatically since then! But it wasn't as much of a steal as my 1903, which I bought from a US dealer for the princely sum of £26 !!!!

Ah, the good old days

Ebay used to have loads of nice bits on across the pond at very reasonable prices too. Sadly our cousins have caught up in the pricing game

[VickySilver 830]

Yes, did however make a few steals the other way around as well. LOL..

Might come looking for me if I was to list them.

I agree though, seldom do we find much in the way of bargains, even collectively, on ebay.

As far as grading, I am going to try (heaven forbid!) to post another picture, this of a Gothic florin this week -

let's play again the Guess the Grade again if I be successful with photography.

Can you Senor Peck show us a picture of the '03 - I think you did before, but my memory seems to fade a bit here and there.

[Peckris 579]

I would hope they gave it authenticity! I bought it at Warwick & Warwick in the 90s, but I can't remember what grade they said. I personally think it's more than Fair, but not Fine. But CGS would be stricter I'm sure.

Actually I'm not. Not sure lower grade is really their thing. Probably said this before but I've certainly seen one of theirs graded F which really should have struggled to make Fair. Could have been an aberration, but unlikely as it was hen's teeth rare.

In this case I'd give it NF but could change in hand.

A good £69 worth - that definitely doesn't suck!

I concur with your assessment of Fair+ Peck (obv better, reverse only Fair), but at £69 you stole it! I am old school when it comes to this issue and find it hard to reconcile F, GF and NVF (which most dealers and auctioneers would grade it) with a coin exhibiting so much wear.

I think W&W back then were more realistic in their grading, and (if memory serves) didn't rate it even Fine. But prices have certainly gone up dramatically since then! But it wasn't as much of a steal as my 1903, which I bought from a US dealer for the princely sum of £26 !!!!

Ah, the good old days

Ebay used to have loads of nice bits on across the pond at very reasonable prices too. Sadly our cousins have caught up in the pricing game

This was the 1990s (pre-eBay) but still one hell of a steal when you see it...

It actually looks better than that in hand - there's lots of lustre on the reverse, which tends to disguise what appears to be heavy wear to the shield edges and is not so noticeable really. These days it would probably grade VF so £26 in 1999 really was a steal. When I saw it on the dealer's list for that price, I thought it was going to be a pig, but you should have seen my face when I opened the package! I was selling A/Fair 1904's at the time for £12, so you get some idea of the context.

[Paulus 1,975]

I would hope they gave it authenticity! I bought it at Warwick & Warwick in the 90s, but I can't remember what grade they said. I personally think it's more than Fair, but not Fine. But CGS would be stricter I'm sure.

Actually I'm not. Not sure lower grade is really their thing. Probably said this before but I've certainly seen one of theirs graded F which really should have struggled to make Fair. Could have been an aberration, but unlikely as it was hen's teeth rare.

In this case I'd give it NF but could change in hand.

A good £69 worth - that definitely doesn't suck!

I concur with your assessment of Fair+ Peck (obv better, reverse only Fair), but at £69 you stole it! I am old school when it comes to this issue and find it hard to reconcile F, GF and NVF (which most dealers and auctioneers would grade it) with a coin exhibiting so much wear.

I think W&W back then were more realistic in their grading, and (if memory serves) didn't rate it even Fine. But prices have certainly gone up dramatically since then! But it wasn't as much of a steal as my 1903, which I bought from a US dealer for the princely sum of £26 !!!!

Ah, the good old days

Ebay used to have loads of nice bits on across the pond at very reasonable prices too. Sadly our cousins have caught up in the pricing game

This was the 1990s (pre-eBay) but still one hell of a steal when you see it...

It actually looks better than that in hand - there's lots of lustre on the reverse, which tends to disguise what appears to be heavy wear to the shield edges and is not so noticeable really. These days it would probably grade VF so £26 in 1999 really was a steal. When I saw it on the dealer's list for that price, I thought it was going to be a pig, but you should have seen my face when I opened the package! I was selling A/Fair 1904's at the time for £12, so you get some idea of the context.

SOOOO glad I have stopped collecting dates and 'micro' varieties! For me the added spark of a rare date didn't/doesn't give the same buzz as a new type, and I can't do both!

Btw I have a few boring old rare varieties and dates I will be listing on the Bay soon!

[RLC35 288]

I would hope they gave it authenticity! I bought it at Warwick & Warwick in the 90s, but I can't remember what grade they said. I personally think it's more than Fair, but not Fine. But CGS would be stricter I'm sure.

Actually I'm not. Not sure lower grade is really their thing. Probably said this before but I've certainly seen one of theirs graded F which really should have struggled to make Fair. Could have been an aberration, but unlikely as it was hen's teeth rare.

In this case I'd give it NF but could change in hand.

A good £69 worth - that definitely doesn't suck!

I concur with your assessment of Fair+ Peck (obv better, reverse only Fair), but at £69 you stole it! I am old school when it comes to this issue and find it hard to reconcile F, GF and NVF (which most dealers and auctioneers would grade it) with a coin exhibiting so much wear.

I think W&W back then were more realistic in their grading, and (if memory serves) didn't rate it even Fine. But prices have certainly gone up dramatically since then! But it wasn't as much of a steal as my 1903, which I bought from a US dealer for the princely sum of £26 !!!!

Ah, the good old days

Ebay used to have loads of nice bits on across the pond at very reasonable prices too. Sadly our cousins have caught up in the pricing game

This was the 1990s (pre-eBay) but still one hell of a steal when you see it...

It actually looks better than that in hand - there's lots of lustre on the reverse, which tends to disguise what appears to be heavy wear to the shield edges and is not so noticeable really. These days it would probably grade VF so £26 in 1999 really was a steal. When I saw it on the dealer's list for that price, I thought it was going to be a pig, but you should have seen my face when I opened the package! I was selling A/Fair 1904's at the time for £12, so you get some idea of the context.

SOOOO glad I have stopped collecting dates and 'micro' varieties! For me the added spark of a rare date didn't/doesn't give the same buzz as a new type, and I can't do both!

Btw I have a few boring old rare varieties and dates I will be listing on the Bay soon!

Paulus, What is your eBay ID? I would like to take a look at what you are offering. PM me if you don't want to state it in a post.

[Peckris 579]

SOOOO glad I have stopped collecting dates and 'micro' varieties! For me the added spark of a rare date didn't/doesn't give the same buzz as a new type, and I can't do both!

Btw I have a few boring old rare varieties and dates I will be listing on the Bay soon!

Paulus, What is your eBay ID? I would like to take a look at what you are offering. PM me if you don't want to state it in a post.

Me too, if you wouldn't mind?

[azda 979]

SOOOO glad I have stopped collecting dates and 'micro' varieties! For me the added spark of a rare date didn't/doesn't give the same buzz as a new type, and I can't do both!

Btw I have a few boring old rare varieties and dates I will be listing on the Bay soon!

Paulus, What is your eBay ID? I would like to take a look at what you are offering. PM me if you don't want to state it in a post.

Me too, if you wouldn't mind?

Its the name of a bird Oh and your inbox is full, so you can't receive PMs

Edited March 27, 2013 by azda

[Paulus 1,975]

Nothing listed as yet, a few in the next day or 2 hopefully, nothing particularly exciting!

EBay id is starling69

How do I clear out my inbox?

[azda 979]

It's Pecks inbox thats full Paul

[Peckris 579]

It's Pecks inbox thats full Paul

I've cleared out some space

[pies 33]

So your starling69 ive had some coins of you?

[azda 979]

So your starling69 ive had some coins of you

Lol

[declanwmagee 122]

So your starling69 ive had some coins of you?

Me too! I've sold you a few too...

[Peckris 579]

So your starling69 ive had some coins of you?

Saved in my sellers list Nothing on there at present?

[Paulus 1,975]

A few odds and sods are listed now, for anyone interested. Unsold CGS coins next week. eBay pics are experiments with my new camera - which I am very pleased with! It's a Panasonic DMC LX7

[Coinery 1,153]

Might want to take a look at your Lizzy reverse? I'd definitely buy that die-pairing!

Edit: great pictures by the way! I think a good image will pay for the camera, over and over!

You've got the same White Balance issue as me, I still haven't got round to playing with it, yet, but Nick's idea could be a winner. What are you lighting with? I've got a couple of spare daylight bulbs you could have if you wanted them? Just fit them into desk lamps...you'd still need to tweak the WB though, maybe?

Edited March 27, 2013 by Coinery

[Paulus 1,975]

Might want to take a look at your Lizzy reverse? I'd definitely buy that die-pairing!

Edit: great pictures by the way! I think a good image will pay for the camera, over and over!

You've got the same White Balance issue as me, I still haven't got round to playing with it, yet, but Nick's idea could be a winner. What are you lighting with? I've got a couple of spare daylight bulbs you could have if you wanted them? Just fit them into desk lamps...you'd still need to tweak the WB though, maybe?

The reverse pic is in the main description section, do you want bigger/better pics of it? What die pairing is it?

I can't seem to find any daylight bulbs that fit my desk lamps, I am using 2 cheap Ikea desk lamps (your suggestion!) with halogen bulbs - so yes to the offer of the spare bulbs! - but the fittings are the 'small Edsion' screw types (is that what they are called?) and the local wholesale leccy shop doesn't have any daylight bulbs for that fitting in its (extensive) catalogue.

I am just getting to know the camera, it has all sorts of WB settings, I am currently using one called 'K' - whatever that means! A lot better than no WB, then my silver collection comes out more like gold, but much room for improvement!

Edited March 27, 2013 by Paulus

[Coinery 1,153]

Might want to take a look at your Lizzy reverse? I'd definitely buy that die-pairing!

Edit: great pictures by the way! I think a good image will pay for the camera, over and over!

You've got the same White Balance issue as me, I still haven't got round to playing with it, yet, but Nick's idea could be a winner. What are you lighting with? I've got a couple of spare daylight bulbs you could have if you wanted them? Just fit them into desk lamps...you'd still need to tweak the WB though, maybe?

The reverse pic is in the main description section, do you want bigger/better pics of it? What die pairing is it?

I can't seem to find any daylight bulbs that fit my desk lamps, I am using 2 cheap Ikea desk lamps (your suggestion!) with halogen bulbs - so yes to the offer of the spare bulbs! - but the fittings are the 'small Edsion' screw types (is that what they are called?) and the local wholesale leccy shop does have any daylight bulbs for that fitting in its (extensive) catalogue.

I am just getting to know the camera, it has all sorts of WB settings, I am currently using one called 'K' - whatever that means! A lot better than no WB, then my silver collection comes out more like gold, but much room for improvement!

The bulbs I have are screw fit, the larger screw size, will measure tomorrow, all your's if they fit!

I think the reverse liz image is a duplicate of your P&M coin?

[Paulus 1,975]

Might want to take a look at your Lizzy reverse? I'd definitely buy that die-pairing!

Edit: great pictures by the way! I think a good image will pay for the camera, over and over!

You've got the same White Balance issue as me, I still haven't got round to playing with it, yet, but Nick's idea could be a winner. What are you lighting with? I've got a couple of spare daylight bulbs you could have if you wanted them? Just fit them into desk lamps...you'd still need to tweak the WB though, maybe?

The reverse pic is in the main description section, do you want bigger/better pics of it? What die pairing is it?

I can't seem to find any daylight bulbs that fit my desk lamps, I am using 2 cheap Ikea desk lamps (your suggestion!) with halogen bulbs - so yes to the offer of the spare bulbs! - but the fittings are the 'small Edsion' screw types (is that what they are called?) and the local wholesale leccy shop does have any daylight bulbs for that fitting in its (extensive) catalogue.

I am just getting to know the camera, it has all sorts of WB settings, I am currently using one called 'K' - whatever that means! A lot better than no WB, then my silver collection comes out more like gold, but much room for improvement!

The bulbs I have are screw fit, the larger screw size, will measure tomorrow, all your's if they fit!

I think the reverse liz image is a duplicate of your P&M coin?

I think I will buy some different desk lamps if not, they are dead cheap and it sounds like daylight bulbs are the way to go!

And what a pillock I am, I was listing while multi-tasking, always a mistake! Think I will have to get my eBay listings checked by you lot first in future! And despite the incorrect reverse being pictured, I already had a bid, so couldn't edit the description! I have added the correct reverse on now, so feast your eyes on the incredibly rare die pairing I know you are hoping for!

[Nick 329]

Might want to take a look at your Lizzy reverse? I'd definitely buy that die-pairing!

Edit: great pictures by the way! I think a good image will pay for the camera, over and over!

You've got the same White Balance issue as me, I still haven't got round to playing with it, yet, but Nick's idea could be a winner. What are you lighting with? I've got a couple of spare daylight bulbs you could have if you wanted them? Just fit them into desk lamps...you'd still need to tweak the WB though, maybe?

The reverse pic is in the main description section, do you want bigger/better pics of it? What die pairing is it?

I can't seem to find any daylight bulbs that fit my desk lamps, I am using 2 cheap Ikea desk lamps (your suggestion!) with halogen bulbs - so yes to the offer of the spare bulbs! - but the fittings are the 'small Edsion' screw types (is that what they are called?) and the local wholesale leccy shop does have any daylight bulbs for that fitting in its (extensive) catalogue.

I am just getting to know the camera, it has all sorts of WB settings, I am currently using one called 'K' - whatever that means! A lot better than no WB, then my silver collection comes out more like gold, but much room for improvement!

Colour temperature is measured in Kelvin, so it could well be a WB mode that allows you to specify the colour temperature as a numerical representation. Daylight lamps are usually 6500K.

[Paulus 1,975]

Might want to take a look at your Lizzy reverse? I'd definitely buy that die-pairing!

Edit: great pictures by the way! I think a good image will pay for the camera, over and over!

You've got the same White Balance issue as me, I still haven't got round to playing with it, yet, but Nick's idea could be a winner. What are you lighting with? I've got a couple of spare daylight bulbs you could have if you wanted them? Just fit them into desk lamps...you'd still need to tweak the WB though, maybe?

The reverse pic is in the main description section, do you want bigger/better pics of it? What die pairing is it?

I can't seem to find any daylight bulbs that fit my desk lamps, I am using 2 cheap Ikea desk lamps (your suggestion!) with halogen bulbs - so yes to the offer of the spare bulbs! - but the fittings are the 'small Edsion' screw types (is that what they are called?) and the local wholesale leccy shop does have any daylight bulbs for that fitting in its (extensive) catalogue.

I am just getting to know the camera, it has all sorts of WB settings, I am currently using one called 'K' - whatever that means! A lot better than no WB, then my silver collection comes out more like gold, but much room for improvement!

Colour temperature is measured in Kelvin, so it could well be a WB mode that allows you to specify the colour temperature as a numerical representation. Daylight lamps are usually 6500K.

Thanks Nick - a whole new knowledge chasm has just opened up for me! Better get swotting ...