Not funny

[Rob 3,152]

I told this guy that the WRL indicated it was a modern copy. Result - a fuzzy picture has replaced the old to ensure it can't be seen. The 'guinea' listed is a shilling, which he confirmed from the diameter. Neither has been updated and clearly he has no intention of changing the description. If Colin G is looking, please would he pay the guy a visit and smack 7 shades out of him, or explain in a similarly appropriate manner.

Eliz 1 6d

Edited March 19, 2013 by Rob

[azda 979]

Report the bastard to eBay, if enough people do it should get pulled as it has 5 days still to run

[Accumulator 52]

I had a bad day, so writing to this seller made me feel a lot better

Not that I expect him to take any notice.

[Rob 3,152]

Report the bastard to eBay, if enough people do it should get pulled as it has 5 days still to run

Is there any way to explain to ebay what he is doing? All I could find was a list of options, none of which were appropriate.

The communications went as follows.

This is a modern copy. The WRL under the shield stands for Westair Reproductions Ltd. Value? £1 if you are lucky.

WELL i brought it with the gold gunnia is that okay if not i been ripped

of buy a top auction

That isn't a guinea. It's a sixpence or a shilling depending on diameter. Shillings are about 24mm

its a shilling then

Allowing for a reasonable interpretation of the replies, I believe he is fully aware of what he is doing.

Edited March 19, 2013 by Rob

[pies 33]

Reported it as a repoduction but not listed as such

[Hussulo 6]

What a crook. I'll report it too. if enough people report it. It should get pulled.

http://reviews.ebay.co.uk/How-To-Deal-With-Sellers-Of-Fake-Items-Effectively?ugid=10000000008772445

Another option would be to win the item so no one else does, raise a dispute through ebay/ paypal for money back and then neg him..

Edited March 19, 2013 by Hussulo

[Hussulo 6]

I don't know if ths is the right order, but this is how I reported it:

Edited March 19, 2013 by Hussulo

[Coinery 1,153]

I've 'politely' informed him too!

[seuk 85]

I wrote him yesterday and informed him that the gold guinea is a contemporary brass counterfeit of a shilling (variation B701o/G701r).

To which he replied:

"if it is i refund the buyer his nmoney back as i brought it in a auction that sells coins ROB- werewolf2359"

Both reported!

BTW - this tread on Coincommunity give some information on how ebay deals with fakes.

[Peckris 579]

I've 'politely' informed him too!

Me too - I'm sure he is slowly getting the message!

[Paulus 1,975]

I've 'politely' informed him too!

Me too - I'm sure he is slowly getting the message!

I have sent him a slightly less polite message - knowing that now he has been informed over and over!!

[Rob 3,152]

Doesn't get any better.

Hi.

You simply don't get it do you?

Your listing says

do not make offers

off ebay i go buy ebay policy and only sell on line .

I will not answer any emails that are bullying me to get it cheaper.

I will send the information to the buyer where it was brought,

i described it as in the auction i brought it from they have handled the coin too !

i will get a copy from the auction house if requested for the buyer .

if the buyer is not happy i will except a return if not as described

i will send futher information only to the bidders not

people got nothing better to do then second guess something

they have not handled or want try get cheaper !

No collector is going to make you a serious offer for a modern copy as no collector is likely to want it (certainly not at £30+ when you can buy them for £1), but most collectors also do not like to be taken for a ride, nor for other innocent people to be taken for a ride. However, since you were informed it is a copy, you have updated the image to a fuzzy one so that the WRL is not visible. This is an undisguised fraudulent action under the sale of goods act and therefore a criminal offence. If there is a problem with the item, you have a case against the seller. You do not have the right to steal money from an innocent buyer.

I note you posted the question regarding the diameter. How about posting to the effect that its authenticity has been called into question? If you would do the honourable thing and either advertise it as a copy or end the listing and re-advertise it as a modern copy, then everyone would be happy. Nobody is against copies being listed if advertised as such.

The same goes for your 'guinea'. You have been told it is a brass forgery and even what reference it has. You told me it is a shilling size too, so you cannot claim ignorance. As the guinea was last struck in 1813, this is also problematic for your argument. I therefore ask you to remove the two items and relist them with the proper description.

(you do not know me so do not judge me i have been nursing for 40 years

i have never done anything dishonest but i meet many dishonest poeple

i rang up ebay i was advised to relist the coin as i had conflicking views

regarding coin dealers and pornbokers they buy coins of poeple as cheap as

possible i brought coins in a auction secondly my son took the photos

so why say i did the photo on purpose that way you are making slander

remarks which is incorrect

i tried my best to describe the item i even offered a full refund if not happy

if you a coin dealer if i took a coin to y0u for £300 i bet i be lucky to get £50.00

of you i have not if anyone is dishonest it the auction as i getting it checked

tomorrow so i have the auction back me up so if

someone tells you the world ends tomorrow you beleve them well it not brass) sic

The brackets are mine. Might have a word with with one of those pornbrokers - if they are genuine.

[Peter 615]

WHAT A TWAT.

[jaggy 528]

One of the reasons I choose to avoid Ebay.

[Colin G. 147]

Doing my home town proud...at least it proves the education system around here needs work

[azda 979]

Doing my home town proud...at least it proves the education system around here needs work

No Colin, what it proves is that the Education System round your way DOES'NT work lol

Edited March 20, 2013 by azda

[azda 979]

I told this guy that the WRL indicated it was a modern copy. Result - a fuzzy picture has replaced the old to ensure it can't be seen. The 'guinea' listed is a shilling, which he confirmed from the diameter. Neither has been updated and clearly he has no intention of changing the description. If Colin G is looking, please would he pay the guy a visit and smack 7 shades out of him, or explain in a similarly appropriate manner.

Eliz 1 6d

Gone

[Accumulator 52]

I told this guy that the WRL indicated it was a modern copy. Result - a fuzzy picture has replaced the old to ensure it can't be seen. The 'guinea' listed is a shilling, which he confirmed from the diameter. Neither has been updated and clearly he has no intention of changing the description. If Colin G is looking, please would he pay the guy a visit and smack 7 shades out of him, or explain in a similarly appropriate manner.

Eliz 1 6d

Gone

The seller appeared to be brazening it out, so I doubt he de-listed it. I presume it was eBay, after all the complaints? If so, power to the community!

[Peckris 579]

I told this guy that the WRL indicated it was a modern copy. Result - a fuzzy picture has replaced the old to ensure it can't be seen. The 'guinea' listed is a shilling, which he confirmed from the diameter. Neither has been updated and clearly he has no intention of changing the description. If Colin G is looking, please would he pay the guy a visit and smack 7 shades out of him, or explain in a similarly appropriate manner.

Eliz 1 6d

Gone

YAY

Do we have another one? Here... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EF-Tudor-period-Hammered-Silver-Coin-Dated-1546-/380600909448?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14587%26meid%3D6380055177802333763%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D5%26sd%3D261187061833%26

[Coinery 1,153]

I told this guy that the WRL indicated it was a modern copy. Result - a fuzzy picture has replaced the old to ensure it can't be seen. The 'guinea' listed is a shilling, which he confirmed from the diameter. Neither has been updated and clearly he has no intention of changing the description. If Colin G is looking, please would he pay the guy a visit and smack 7 shades out of him, or explain in a similarly appropriate manner.

Eliz 1 6d

Gone

YAY

Do we have another one? Here... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EF-Tudor-period-Hammered-Silver-Coin-Dated-1546-/380600909448?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14587%26meid%3D6380055177802333763%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D5%26sd%3D261187061833%26

Looks pewtery to me...I have seen so many of these coins going through at high-grade, where are they all coming from? I confess I've never even clicked on them before but, man, I wished I collected them (whatever they are), you'd have a very high grade hammered collection of something or other...for not a lot of doe, either! Perhaps they've ALL been counterfeit?

[azda 979]

Get yourself to the WRL website Stuart, you can have your pick of hammered there so i hear:)

[scott 144]

those are fairly common hungarian Deniers.

never seen a fake one before.

[Coinery 1,153]

those are fairly common hungarian Deniers.

never seen a fake one before.

I've wondered what they were! Any ideas why there are so many around in great grade? I was starting to think the European hammered collectors were getting an easy ride.

[Coinery 1,153]

Get yourself to the WRL website Stuart, you can have your pick of hammered there so i hear:)

I'd need to set up a new eBay site and try and slip them past you lot, that's the trouble!

[scott 144]

dunno why there are so many in high grade, the designs changed often, dunno if they were took out of circulation or what with those.

Edited March 20, 2013 by scott