1862 penny smaller date?

[Danz 9]

Hi all. I have been going through some pennies I won at auction at the weekend and came across this. It is a 1862 penny with a date smaller than the other 20 or so I have. The 2 looks closer to the 6 than the other ones. Is it a known variety? My eyes are bleeding now. Cheers Dan.

[argentumandcoins 70]

There are multiple variations on date width for the early bun heads Dan. Unfortunately they are all of the same value. The only rarities on date in 1862 is the smaller numerals type or the 8 over 6 type.

[Danz 9]

Hi. Cheers for letting me know. I will keep checking. Dan

[just.me 23]

There are also the obverse 2 mule, the obverse 3 mule, the 3 extra plumes on Britannia and the 2 over 1 that are all worth looking out for.

[Danz 9]

There are also the obverse 2 mule, the obverse 3 mule, the 3 extra plumes on Britannia and the 2 over 1 that are all worth looking out for.

Hi. Thanks. What would be the best ref book I can get to check for all the variations and where to get it from. Cheers Dan.

[scott 144]

only problem is, i have never yet seen much differance in the Obverses for low grade.

[Danz 9]

only problem is, i have never yet seen much differance in the Obverses for low grade.

Hi. I have plenty of higher grades that I would like to check.

[Peckris 579]

only problem is, i have never yet seen much differance in the Obverses for low grade.

Hi. I have plenty of higher grades that I would like to check.

Your best bet is Michael Gouby's book 'The British Bronze Penny' - very comprehensive.

[just.me 23]

only problem is, i have never yet seen much differance in the Obverses for low grade.

Hi Scott, obverses 2 and 3 have a large gap between the back of the head and the B of Brit, while the standard 'correct' obverse the B is almost in contact with the head. This is a good point to check as it is easily seen even on the most worn of coins. Telling the obverses 2 and 3 apart on very low grade coins is tricky, but if you get an 1862 even in low grade with either of them, its worth keeping.

[scott 144]

I stumbled across a picture of an OBV2 the other day, and noticed the B in BRITT was alligned to the boarder teeth differantly to OBV1.

[just.me 23]

I stumbled across a picture of an OBV2 the other day, and noticed the B in BRITT was alligned to the boarder teeth differantly to OBV1.

Have a look here at Tony Claytons site http://www.coins-of-the-uk.co.uk/pics/pen3.html There are good clear photos of the different obverses and reverses. Its a good site with a lot to read and a lot to see.

[Coinery 1,156]

I stumbled across a picture of an OBV2 the other day, and noticed the B in BRITT was alligned to the boarder teeth differantly to OBV1.

Have a look here at Tony Claytons site http://www.coins-of-the-uk.co.uk/pics/pen3.html There are good clear photos of the different obverses and reverses. Its a good site with a lot to read and a lot to see.

The reason his SEO is staggering! I've never really liked the site, or found it that user friendly myself, but you've got to admire the ranking!

[scott 144]

whats that ranking?

and whats these "fishtails" that are refered to the ribbon on her hair? because i can't work out those either.

and that site is a very handy visit for a tab when browsing Ebay.

[Coinery 1,156]

whats that ranking?

Where it sits in the list for any given search, the outcome of good SEO.

[just.me 23]

whats that ranking?

and whats these "fishtails" that are refered to the ribbon on her hair? because i can't work out those either.

and that site is a very handy visit for a tab when browsing Ebay.

The 'fishtails' are the ends of the ribbon that have the triangular cut at the end. The triangular cut resembles a fishtail .

[scott 144]

so whats these variates on the fishtail, can't really see much differance

[just.me 23]

so whats these variates on the fishtail, can't really see much differance

The earlier obverses have the fishtail cut left of centre of the ribbon (an uneven triangle). But on Freeman obverse 4, you can find the uneven and the centrally cut fishtails (an evenly shaped triangle), Gouby has referenced the obverse 4 with central cut as obverse G.

I believe you have the no colon variety of 1860 Penny? If so, then this should be an obverse 4 with the centrally cut fishtail. They then went back to the uneven cut fishtails for obverse 5.

Here is an example of the central cut