1905 Halfcrown Forgery...Close up Image

[Sword 1,473]

I generally don't swear, but bloody hell that looks good in the photo. I'd like to see it in person-is there a bag of them? I'd be interested to send one each to NGC, PCGS and CGS for slabbing and authentication.. They don't ask for provenance...

There's not a bag of them but about 25 of them were struck (forged) during that period in the 70's/80's by the same person(s)....who, I am told, is alledgedly still around.

Do you know why he did not make more? If he could make such good fakes in the 70's / 80's, then I dread to think what will happen in 50 years time.

Nothing given he should be pushing up the daisies

I didn't mean him, but what forgers in gerneral can do in the future. What worry me is that one day, forgeries will be so good that they can no longer be distinguished from the real thing by visual inspection or weight. Then will all rare coins have to be sold in "slabs" after expensive analysis have been done in labs? Scary!

As Rob has said that is where provenance is going to play a major part in putting minds at rest on un-slabbed coins.

Provenance will certainly play a major part but many qualtiy coins on the market today have no provenance. It is difficult to know if the provenance claimed is genuine unless photos are available.

[Peckris 579]

I generally don't swear, but bloody hell that looks good in the photo. I'd like to see it in person-is there a bag of them? I'd be interested to send one each to NGC, PCGS and CGS for slabbing and authentication.. They don't ask for provenance...

There's not a bag of them but about 25 of them were struck (forged) during that period in the 70's/80's by the same person(s)....who, I am told, is alledgedly still around.

Do you know why he did not make more? If he could make such good fakes in the 70's / 80's, then I dread to think what will happen in 50 years time.

Nothing given he should be pushing up the daisies

I didn't mean him, but what forgers in gerneral can do in the future. What worry me is that one day, forgeries will be so good that they can no longer be distinguished from the real thing by visual inspection or weight. Then will all rare coins have to be sold in "slabs" after expensive analysis have been done in labs? Scary!

Bear in mind that a few years ago, people were willing to pay a few hundred for a superbly done silver proof repro of a Gothic Crown. Maybe that is the future - affordable repros for those who can't afford originals? Better by far than fakes IMO.

[Coinery 1,153]

I generally don't swear, but bloody hell that looks good in the photo. I'd like to see it in person-is there a bag of them? I'd be interested to send one each to NGC, PCGS and CGS for slabbing and authentication.. They don't ask for provenance...

There's not a bag of them but about 25 of them were struck (forged) during that period in the 70's/80's by the same person(s)....who, I am told, is alledgedly still around.

Do you know why he did not make more? If he could make such good fakes in the 70's / 80's, then I dread to think what will happen in 50 years time.

Nothing given he should be pushing up the daisies

I didn't mean him, but what forgers in gerneral can do in the future. What worry me is that one day, forgeries will be so good that they can no longer be distinguished from the real thing by visual inspection or weight. Then will all rare coins have to be sold in "slabs" after expensive analysis have been done in labs? Scary!

As Rob has said that is where provenance is going to play a major part in putting minds at rest on un-slabbed coins.

AND the slabbed! I'm really surprised they're not on that bandwagon already!

[Coinery 1,153]

I generally don't swear, but bloody hell that looks good in the photo. I'd like to see it in person-is there a bag of them? I'd be interested to send one each to NGC, PCGS and CGS for slabbing and authentication.. They don't ask for provenance...

There's not a bag of them but about 25 of them were struck (forged) during that period in the 70's/80's by the same person(s)....who, I am told, is alledgedly still around.

Do you know why he did not make more? If he could make such good fakes in the 70's / 80's, then I dread to think what will happen in 50 years time.

Nothing given he should be pushing up the daisies

I didn't mean him, but what forgers in gerneral can do in the future. What worry me is that one day, forgeries will be so good that they can no longer be distinguished from the real thing by visual inspection or weight. Then will all rare coins have to be sold in "slabs" after expensive analysis have been done in labs? Scary!

Bear in mind that a few years ago, people were willing to pay a few hundred for a superbly done silver proof repro of a Gothic Crown. Maybe that is the future - affordable repros for those who can't afford originals? Better by far than fakes IMO.

Ikea and others have made a fortune selling Picasso prints!

[Rob 3,152]

AND the slabbed! I'm really surprised they're not on that bandwagon already!

Their provenance atttribution is a bit hit and miss when referenced to someone other than the person submitting the coin, just as the coin description is equally randomly selected from a list of possibles.

Edited June 12, 2013 by Rob

[Coinery 1,153]

AND the slabbed! I'm really surprised they're not on that bandwagon already!

...just as the coin description is equally randomly selected from a list of possibles.

True enough!

[Sword 1,473]

I generally don't swear, but bloody hell that looks good in the photo. I'd like to see it in person-is there a bag of them? I'd be interested to send one each to NGC, PCGS and CGS for slabbing and authentication.. They don't ask for provenance...

There's not a bag of them but about 25 of them were struck (forged) during that period in the 70's/80's by the same person(s)....who, I am told, is alledgedly still around.

Do you know why he did not make more? If he could make such good fakes in the 70's / 80's, then I dread to think what will happen in 50 years time.

Nothing given he should be pushing up the daisies

I didn't mean him, but what forgers in gerneral can do in the future. What worry me is that one day, forgeries will be so good that they can no longer be distinguished from the real thing by visual inspection or weight. Then will all rare coins have to be sold in "slabs" after expensive analysis have been done in labs? Scary!

Bear in mind that a few years ago, people were willing to pay a few hundred for a superbly done silver proof repro of a Gothic Crown. Maybe that is the future - affordable repros for those who can't afford originals? Better by far than fakes IMO.

I wasn't aware that people were willing to pay such money for a repro. For me, the main attraction of coin collecting is the feeling of owning some history. I like admiring 19 century unc currency coins thinking how lucky they have been. A repro has little more attraction than a photo of a real coin as far as I am conerned! Modern fakes are of course revolting but contemporary fakes can potentially be interesting (not that I collect them).

[Peckris 579]

I generally don't swear, but bloody hell that looks good in the photo. I'd like to see it in person-is there a bag of them? I'd be interested to send one each to NGC, PCGS and CGS for slabbing and authentication.. They don't ask for provenance...

There's not a bag of them but about 25 of them were struck (forged) during that period in the 70's/80's by the same person(s)....who, I am told, is alledgedly still around.

Do you know why he did not make more? If he could make such good fakes in the 70's / 80's, then I dread to think what will happen in 50 years time.

Nothing given he should be pushing up the daisies

I didn't mean him, but what forgers in gerneral can do in the future. What worry me is that one day, forgeries will be so good that they can no longer be distinguished from the real thing by visual inspection or weight. Then will all rare coins have to be sold in "slabs" after expensive analysis have been done in labs? Scary!

Bear in mind that a few years ago, people were willing to pay a few hundred for a superbly done silver proof repro of a Gothic Crown. Maybe that is the future - affordable repros for those who can't afford originals? Better by far than fakes IMO.

I wasn't aware that people were willing to pay such money for a repro. For me, the main attraction of coin collecting is the feeling of owning some history. I like admiring 19 century unc currency coins thinking how lucky they have been. A repro has little more attraction than a photo of a real coin as far as I am conerned! Modern fakes are of course revolting but contemporary fakes can potentially be interesting (not that I collect them).

Just one question - how much would you run to for an expertly done 1933 penny? eBay seems to prove they fetch well into three figures.

[Paulus 1,975]

I generally don't swear, but bloody hell that looks good in the photo. I'd like to see it in person-is there a bag of them? I'd be interested to send one each to NGC, PCGS and CGS for slabbing and authentication.. They don't ask for provenance...

There's not a bag of them but about 25 of them were struck (forged) during that period in the 70's/80's by the same person(s)....who, I am told, is alledgedly still around.

Do you know why he did not make more? If he could make such good fakes in the 70's / 80's, then I dread to think what will happen in 50 years time.

Nothing given he should be pushing up the daisies

I didn't mean him, but what forgers in gerneral can do in the future. What worry me is that one day, forgeries will be so good that they can no longer be distinguished from the real thing by visual inspection or weight. Then will all rare coins have to be sold in "slabs" after expensive analysis have been done in labs? Scary!

Bear in mind that a few years ago, people were willing to pay a few hundred for a superbly done silver proof repro of a Gothic Crown. Maybe that is the future - affordable repros for those who can't afford originals? Better by far than fakes IMO.

I wasn't aware that people were willing to pay such money for a repro. For me, the main attraction of coin collecting is the feeling of owning some history. I like admiring 19 century unc currency coins thinking how lucky they have been. A repro has little more attraction than a photo of a real coin as far as I am conerned! Modern fakes are of course revolting but contemporary fakes can potentially be interesting (not that I collect them).

Just one question - how much would you run to for an expertly done 1933 penny? eBay seems to prove they fetch well into three figures.

Two figures, if I could resell it for three!

[Sword 1,473]

I generally don't swear, but bloody hell that looks good in the photo. I'd like to see it in person-is there a bag of them? I'd be interested to send one each to NGC, PCGS and CGS for slabbing and authentication.. They don't ask for provenance...

There's not a bag of them but about 25 of them were struck (forged) during that period in the 70's/80's by the same person(s)....who, I am told, is alledgedly still around.

Do you know why he did not make more? If he could make such good fakes in the 70's / 80's, then I dread to think what will happen in 50 years time.

Nothing given he should be pushing up the daisies

I didn't mean him, but what forgers in gerneral can do in the future. What worry me is that one day, forgeries will be so good that they can no longer be distinguished from the real thing by visual inspection or weight. Then will all rare coins have to be sold in "slabs" after expensive analysis have been done in labs? Scary!

Bear in mind that a few years ago, people were willing to pay a few hundred for a superbly done silver proof repro of a Gothic Crown. Maybe that is the future - affordable repros for those who can't afford originals? Better by far than fakes IMO.

I wasn't aware that people were willing to pay such money for a repro. For me, the main attraction of coin collecting is the feeling of owning some history. I like admiring 19 century unc currency coins thinking how lucky they have been. A repro has little more attraction than a photo of a real coin as far as I am conerned! Modern fakes are of course revolting but contemporary fakes can potentially be interesting (not that I collect them).

Just one question - how much would you run to for an expertly done 1933 penny? eBay seems to prove they fetch well into three figures.

50 or 60% of what I can sell it for. I normally buy coins for keep and don't worry too much about profit. But I have no interest in owning a repro and so want to get money for my trouble of buying and selling.

[Gary1000 41]

I'd much rather own a well done altered date than a repro. The altered date probably had a lot more thought and skill gone into it than the repro. The fake 1905 Half Crowns have fetches a couple of hundred pounds on the rare occassion one does come up for auction.

[Peckris 579]

I'd much rather own a well done altered date than a repro. The altered date probably had a lot more thought and skill gone into it than the repro. The fake 1905 Half Crowns have fetches a couple of hundred pounds on the rare occassion one does come up for auction.

Providing one is honest about them, they are well worth a place in the collection as a "gap filler"

[Accumulator 52]

Just one question - how much would you run to for an expertly done 1933 penny? eBay seems to prove they fetch well into three figures.

I'm sure you knew I'd appear with a photo of this one again

About £200, I think, but I particularly liked the overall feel of authenticity and the fact that it was reputedly plucked from circulation.

p.s. As far as I'm aware, all my other coins are the genuine article!!

Edited June 15, 2013 by Accumulator