Hhhmmmm. How Right Is This Story?

[Danelaw 208]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2408762/One-penny-wrong-metal-1919-sell-600-000-times-face-value.html

[Paulus 1,975]

Well it's not April 1st! If true, the estimate could be way way out!!

[davidrj 194]

Wouldn't BWA blanks have the central hole prior to strtiking?

Trying to think what blank it could be, Kings Norton didn't do Jamaica pennies (only outsourced to Heatons and Ottawa)

George V pennies get more and more interesting

[Rob 3,152]

Knowing the weight would help.

[VickySilver 830]

I don't know about the estimate. It is a penny, but the Nicholson CuNI 1920 halfpenny struck to a specimen standard with the countermarked "N" sold for 800 quid.

I purchased a 1922 CuNi penny of the Royal Mint (obv. and rev. unfortunately of 1922 for about 300-350 by memory) about 3-4 years ago.

[Peckris 579]

Wouldn't BWA blanks have the central hole prior to strtiking?

Trying to think what blank it could be, Kings Norton didn't do Jamaica pennies (only outsourced to Heatons and Ottawa)

George V pennies get more and more interesting

But if the blanks got into the wrong tub BEFORE having the hole struck out?

[davidrj 194]

But if the blanks got into the wrong tub BEFORE having the hole struck out?

I think the central hole would part of the original blank preparation, rather than a two stage process.

Bit I'm happy to be corrected if anyone knows the actual mechanics of holey coin production

[Colin88 54]

London Coins sold a 1940 Penny in CU a couple of years back I seem to recall...went for about £400 I think?

Also, is it me or doesnt the KN strike look right at all?

[Accumulator 52]

It's not a particularly attractive example and only a curiosity really. i would have thought about £400 ish. I have a 1966 in brass in EF condition, worth about the same.

[RChris 3]

As usual I suppose it's worth what someone will pay for it. I think you could probably get more than £400 for your brass job Peckris - not too many of those around!

How about this one, recently found on Ebay from a dealer in South America!

CuNi 1901

[Gary1000 41]

As usual I suppose it's worth what someone will pay for it. I think you could probably get more than £400 for your brass job Peckris - not too many of those around!

How about this one, recently found on Ebay from a dealer in South America!

CuNi 1901

Call me old fashioned but that stikes me as plated.

[RChris 3]

It weighs 9.6g and with the wear looks like it's seen some circulation to me. Maybe just had a rough life. I was fairly confident but scratched the edge anyway - bright silver below unless it's a really thick plate.

[davidrj 194]

As usual I suppose it's worth what someone will pay for it. I think you could probably get more than £400 for your brass job Peckris - not too many of those around!

How about this one, recently found on Ebay from a dealer in South America!

CuNi 1901

Call me old fashioned but that stikes me as plated.

I saw that one and convinced myself it was plated, but then CuNi can go that horrid yellow colour

[Bernie 203]

I believe that this coin is probably similar to the metal content of the 1922 penny that sold in the James Workman auction 2 at Colin Cooke Coins. The coin had a high ferrous content because it was strongly attracted by a magnet. This 1922 penny sold for £400 + premium.

I would be most surprised if this 1919KN fetched the enormous figure suggested. If it does secure a high price, it will prove the power of national newspapers.

[VickySilver 830]

Oops, I think that is the one I was talking about Bernie...

[VickySilver 830]

What 9.6 gm CuNi coins were being struck by the Royal Mint in 1901? Halfcrowns of post 1946 date should be about 14.1 gm +/-....

[davidrj 194]

Jamaica pennies struck by RM dated 1899 & 1900, none dated 1901

, but then CuNi can go that horrid yellow colour

like this

[VickySilver 830]

I have weights listed variously for Jamaica penny as 9 gm and 9.34 gms. so not sure if that is the source for this Victorian penny that is worn (? ~10 gm. starting weight??)

[Mr T 175]

But if the blanks got into the wrong tub BEFORE having the hole struck out?

I think the central hole would part of the original blank preparation, rather than a two stage process.

Bit I'm happy to be corrected if anyone knows the actual mechanics of holey coin production

I'm not too sure myself but I've read somewhere that the hole-punching can happen during blank preparation or during/after striking.

[Accumulator 52]

I believe that this coin is probably similar to the metal content of the 1922 penny that sold in the James Workman auction 2 at Colin Cooke Coins. The coin had a high ferrous content because it was strongly attracted by a magnet. This 1922 penny sold for £400 + premium.

I would be most surprised if this 1919KN fetched the enormous figure suggested. If it does secure a high price, it will prove the power of national newspapers.

I put in a low offer as I just couldn't see any great value in this coin. Have just watched the auction on line and saw it go for £6,800+ (commission). Is that the power of national newspapers at work? Crazy!

[VickySilver 830]

Ouch, must be a collector as I can not imagine how a dealer would scheme a profit out of that! I too would have tendered an offer on the low side and in line with what I have seen the 1922 (ordinary dies) in CuNi go for. Incidentally, the 1920 Nicholson PATTERN matte Nickel proof half penny complete with mint-applied "N" sold for 800 pounds.

[1949threepence 3,367]

Daniel Fearon, coin specialist at auctioneers Woolley and Wallis, said that the Royal Mint had verified the coin as original.

He said: 'This coin has no official status because it never entered circulation.

Maybe it's me, but that doesn't look like a coin that's never been in circulation........

[VickySilver 830]

Hmmm, that is questionable. Not a lot of wear and softly struck as well. Another interesting speculation is whether the coin has been blanched in an effort to clean it possibly as it has the appearance of that and then retoned a bit.

[davidrj 194]

Maybe it's me, but that doesn't look like a coin that's never been in circulation........

but then 1919 KN in bronze are often very weak strikes