Jetton Guide Book/price Guide?

[Coinery 1,156]

Is there a spink-style catalogue or web resource for jettons?

Also, why would people of the period buy a sizeable copper token, just to use as, well, a token? Why not just use the money itself? Unless of course they used a 30mm copper Jetton as a shilling, perhaps?

[azda 979]

Have you checked Galata for a Jetons Book?

Edited September 27, 2013 by azda

[Rob 3,152]

Whilst there are no prices, Snelling (1769) produced a list of the Nurnberg jettons, so they have been documented for quite some time.

[Colin G. 147]

I understood that it was believed that many Jettons were also used as counters/tallies when conducting trade

[bagerap 706]

Jeton is a bit of a catch-all term, as not all of them were used on the counting board.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counting_board

With the introduction of the concept of zero in Western mathematics it became easier to work out finances on paper/parchment and the counting board, which had a similar appearance to a chess board, fell into disuse. From this similarity we get the term Chancellor of the Exchequer and draughts is otherwise known as Chequers.

The word counter in board games to denote the coloured plastic discs used is in lineal descent from jetons and the traditional jeton manufacturing families diversified into card counters and later toy money. New designs often featuring royal or political figures were popular and helped to maintain production.

There were also Jetons de Présence, mostly in silver but sometimes in gold, which were issued as emoluments (similar to an early form of Directors Fees) for royal household officials, insurance company directors and other persons for whom cash was considered too vulgar.

Jetons de Présence

There is a huge range of literature and catalogues available, but you'll need to speak French or German to make the best use of them.

[bagerap 706]

Missed a link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counting_board

[Peter 615]

It is worth making contact with BNTA member John Whitmore

http://www.whitmorectm.co.uk/

There is also David Magnay and ABCCOINS AND TOKENS.

Best of luck.....you will need it.

[Coinery 1,156]

OK, so here's 331008165847 why I ask, I think this looks amazing!

Would this have been produced during the Elizabethan period, or is it just musing over the good times at a later date?

[Coinery 1,156]

Whilst there are no prices, Snelling (1769) produced a list of the Nurnberg jettons, so they have been documented for quite some time.

Does Nurnberg mean ALL jettons? I'm getting the impression they're not an English creation, if judged on name alone?

[Coinery 1,156]

Jeton is a bit of a catch-all term, as not all of them were used on the counting board.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counting_board

With the introduction of the concept of zero in Western mathematics it became easier to work out finances on paper/parchment and the counting board, which had a similar appearance to a chess board, fell into disuse. From this similarity we get the term Chancellor of the Exchequer and draughts is otherwise known as Chequers.

The word counter in board games to denote the coloured plastic discs used is in lineal descent from jetons and the traditional jeton manufacturing families diversified into card counters and later toy money. New designs often featuring royal or political figures were popular and helped to maintain production.

There were also Jetons de Présence, mostly in silver but sometimes in gold, which were issued as emoluments (similar to an early form of Directors Fees) for royal household officials, insurance company directors and other persons for whom cash was considered too vulgar.

Jetons de Présence

There is a huge range of literature and catalogues available, but you'll need to speak French or German to make the best use of them.

Brilliant, thank-you, badgerap, why a predominantly French/German pastime?

[Coinery 1,156]

It is worth making contact with BNTA member John Whitmore

http://www.whitmorectm.co.uk/

There is also David Magnay and ABCCOINS AND TOKENS.

Best of luck.....you will need it.

Nice one, Peter, will check it out!

[bagerap 706]

OK, so here's 331008165847 why I ask, I think this looks amazing!

Would this have been produced during the Elizabethan period, or is it just musing over the good times at a later date?

In terms of quality these are more correctly medals/medalets in that they weren't banged out in huge quantities and were not intended for the counting board. There are some real beauties to be had:

http://www.baldwin.co.uk/media/cms/auction-archive/auction-70/Commemorative%20Medals%201%20Lots%20466-571%20.pdf

[bagerap 706]

Forgot to add:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=331008165847

[copper123 1,488]

I just love the victorian medals bagerap they are truely stunning and show the uk really had some stunning artists/ engravers- the golden age of coins dare i say.

Few would argue against

[davidrj 194]

Lots here and reference books

[Coinery 1,156]

Lots here and reference books

Thanks, David, much appreciated!

[Coinery 1,156]

I just love the victorian medals bagerap they are truely stunning and show the uk really had some stunning artists/ engravers- the golden age of coins dare i say.

Few would argue against

Hi copper123, In my deepest Jetton ignorance, this was part of my question...is the eBay link a Victorian creation of another golden age?

Part of what mesmerises me about the piece is the quality of the copper! If it's Victorian, I'm slightly undone, as much as I admire its quality!

[Peter 615]

I think Stuart is getting information overload.

[Coinery 1,156]

I think Stuart is getting information overload.

Never too much for me! (Squiggly-eyed emoticon)

Is that eBay item at £180 a Victorian reminiscence of the Tudor days?

[HistoricCoinage 147]

I think Stuart is getting information overload.

Never too much for me! (Squiggly-eyed emoticon)

Is that eBay item at £180 a Victorian reminiscence of the Tudor days?

Not that I'm aware of. Here's a Baldwin's list you might appreciate (.pdf).

[Coinery 1,156]

I think Stuart is getting information overload.

Never too much for me! (Squiggly-eyed emoticon)

Is that eBay item at £180 a Victorian reminiscence of the Tudor days?

Not that I'm aware of. Here's a Baldwin's list you might appreciate (.pdf).

Wow, I would buy ALL of those if I had the money, amazing! Any idea why so many were struck in the Netherlands?

Edit; got this one answered now!

Edited September 28, 2013 by Coinery

[Coinery 1,156]

OK, should anyone else stumble into this thread through google, etc. here's a very interesting read...

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/pages/nuremberg-jetons.html