Piece Of 8?

[Asumel 6]

I was watching Pirates of the Caribbean again with a few friends today and I was wondering what coin the Pieces of 8 actually are?
Ray Ives a treasure hunter in Plymouth called them coins from the association, not really sure what that is still

[Paulus 1,975]

I believe they were 8 Reales from Spain and Spanish owned South American countries, as used for emergency coinage for George III and over-stamped with our king's head. Equivalent to roughly 5 shillings or a crown, but varied slightly with the value of silver.

Like this one:

Edited October 12, 2013 by Paulus

[Asumel 6]

That's quite cool! would anyone know where to find any more information about them?
more importantly I wouldn't mind getting my hands on one!

[azda 979]

As Paul says. Pieces of 8 are/were Spanish 8 Reales, i like those, especially the Pillar ones (the Design of 2 Pillars) which ended about 1765-69 ish. Look them up, a nice coin to own but beware of forgeries

[Asumel 6]

As Paul says. Pieces of 8 are/were Spanish 8 Reales, i like those, especially the Pillar ones (the Design of 2 Pillars) which ended about 1765-69 ish. Look them up, a nice coin to own but beware of forgeries

Yeh I have just googled 8 Reales and the first hit was a warning about fakes, may have to be a bit cautious and do a bit of research first

[TomGoodheart 400]

Yeah, a 'piece of 8' is basically an 8 real coin. They were produced throughout the Spanish world (so that's Mexico, Peru as well as Spain itself). Early ones were 'cobs' - essentially lumps of silver cut to the correct weight and stamped with the Spanish crest, moneyer's initial, mint and value.

Later they made proper coins, like the one Paul posted above.

[Asumel 6]

I have to say its all rather interesting
Does anyone know of anywhere which would sell them, somewhere I wouldn't be stuck with a fake.
Otherwise I may have to start taking a metal detector down with me when I go diving and risk life and limb to find one

[azda 979]

As Paul says. Pieces of 8 are/were Spanish 8 Reales, i like those, especially the Pillar ones (the Design of 2 Pillars) which ended about 1765-69 ish. Look them up, a nice coin to own but beware of forgeries

Yeh I have just googled 8 Reales and the first hit was a warning about fakes, may have to be a bit cautious and do a bit of research first

You're maybe better waiting on a reputable coin auction and try getting one from there, there are a lot of fakes of these as they are a popular coin or from a Dealer on the forum or from the owner of the Site and forum. Edited October 12, 2013 by azda

[Asumel 6]

I was thinking that, Looking through some of the info and shops, I'm not one to rush into a purchase, especially one that looks to be quite costly.

[azda 979]

I have to say its all rather interesting

Does anyone know of anywhere which would sell them, somewhere I wouldn't be stuck with a fake.

Otherwise I may have to start taking a metal detector down with me when I go diving and risk life and limb to find one

There is coin auctions all the time, take your time, have a browse. In the meantime if one Pops up in auction or online somewhere i'll certainly give you a heads up

[Asumel 6]

I have to say its all rather interesting

Does anyone know of anywhere which would sell them, somewhere I wouldn't be stuck with a fake.

Otherwise I may have to start taking a metal detector down with me when I go diving and risk life and limb to find one

There is coin auctions all the time, take your time, have a browse. In the meantime if one Pops up in auction or online somewhere i'll certainly give you a heads up

Thanks Really appreciate it

[azda 979]

I was thinking that, Looking through some of the info and shops, I'm not one to rush into a purchase, especially one that looks to be quite costly.

For a decent one with a Common mintmark, maybe £50-£100 depending on grade/age/region of South,America, rarer types will obviously cost more

Edited October 12, 2013 by azda

[Coinery 1,148]

Just to add...most the Association coins were W3 though, weren't they?

Agreed re the piece of 8 coins, very attractive!

Were they your own coins P & TG? Very nice if they were!

[Paulus 1,975]

I was thinking that, Looking through some of the info and shops, I'm not one to rush into a purchase, especially one that looks to be quite costly.

For a decent one with a Common mintmark, maybe £50-£100 depending on grade/age/region of South,America, rarer types will obviously cost more

Realey? (see what I did there!) - I would have thought more like £250 in a strong Fine (if you're lucky) and up and up from there! (for a George 3 emergency issue I mean!)

Were they your own coins P & TG? Very nice if they were!

Not mine sadly Stuart, haven't quite decided to do about all those G3 emergency issue and B of E coins yet!

Edited October 12, 2013 by Paulus

[azda 979]

I was thinking that, Looking through some of the info and shops, I'm not one to rush into a purchase, especially one that looks to be quite costly.

For a decent one with a Common mintmark, maybe £50-£100 depending on grade/age/region of South,America, rarer types will obviously cost more

Realey? (see what I did there!) - I would have thought more like £250 in a strong Fine and up and up from there!

Yup really. I just found a VF for 99 asumel, i'll PM you the link Edited October 12, 2013 by azda

[azda 979]

Stick with me Paul, you'll go far and at 99 euros it was bang in my estimate which in English Play money is £84

Edited October 12, 2013 by azda

[Paulus 1,975]

Stick with me Paul, you'll go far

Sorry Dave, I edited my post, I would only be interested in an English counter-marked one!

[HistoricCoinage 146]

You'll like this link, Asumel.

[azda 979]

Stick with me Paul, you'll go far

Sorry Dave, I edited my post, I would only be interested in an English counter-marked one!

Ahhhhh, now thats a different kettle of fish altogether

[Asumel 6]

Just to add...most the Association coins were W3 though, weren't they?

Agreed re the piece of 8 coins, very attractive!

Were they your own coins P & TG? Very nice if they were!

Whats the W3?

[Paulus 1,975]

Just to add...most the Association coins were W3 though, weren't they?

Agreed re the piece of 8 coins, very attractive!

Were they your own coins P & TG? Very nice if they were!

Whats the W3?

Sometimes lazy and abbreviate, sorry Asumel (is that your real name? (lol).

W3 = William III

G3 = George III

Coinery = Stuart

Azda = Dave

There was a famous shipwreck (The Association) which had a huge quantity of coins on board when it sank, including much Charles II (of England) and pieces of 8

Edited October 12, 2013 by Paulus

[Coinery 1,148]

Just to add...most the Association coins were W3 though, weren't they?

Agreed re the piece of 8 coins, very attractive!

Were they your own coins P & TG? Very nice if they were!

Whats the W3?

Sorry, Asumel, William III

[Asumel 6]

Just to add...most the Association coins were W3 though, weren't they?

Agreed re the piece of 8 coins, very attractive!

Were they your own coins P & TG? Very nice if they were!

Whats the W3?

Sometimes lazy and abbreviate, sorry Asumel (is that your real name? (lol).

W3 = William III

G3 = George III

Coinery = Stuart

Azda = Dave

There was a famous shipwreck (The Association) which had a huge quantity on board when it sank, including much Charles II (of England) and pieces of 8

Ah I see, threw me a second then, seems simple now you mention it

Asumel is an anagram - easy to use for forum stuff ect, Samuel/Sam is my real name

I didn't realise it was a ship he was referring to, I thought it was, as the name suggests an Association.

[azda 979]

Sam is much easier than asumel lol

[Asumel 6]

Sam is much easier than asumel lol

Defiantly, just a quick and simple username for things though