St Andrew's Day

[Peter 615]

Not a too bad part of England....but a bit chilly and wet.

[azda 979]

Not a too bad part of England....but a bit chilly and wet.

I hope it won't be to Long before we're no longer a part of Westminster.

[Nick 329]

Not a too bad part of England....but a bit chilly and wet.

I hope it won't be to Long before we're no longer a part of Westminster.

Are you eligible to vote in the independence referendum, Dave? Or is it just those who currently live in Scotland?

[TomGoodheart 400]

Not a too bad part of England....but a bit chilly and wet.

I hope it won't be to Long before we're no longer a part of Westminster.

Part of Westminster? Goodness, then why did I have to drive all the way through blasted Northumbria to get there? Silly me!

Next time I'm shopping at Fortnums I'll pop over and see you then Dave. What's the nearest tube stop again?

[Red Riley 2]

Although I'm not in any way Scottish, I would love to see Scotland go their own way if only to see the unintended consequences on the rest of the (dis)United Kingdom. What would happen to the union jack? Would England get its own national anthem instead of that awful dirge we have to mouth now? Since most of them are of Scottish descent, who would the Ulster unionists want to be united with? And since they're as popular as rabies in a guide dogs' home north of the border, how long after independence would it be before Scotland kicked out the Windsor dynasty? Looks like it would all be great fun.

Don't see it happening unfortunately.

[azda 979]

Not a too bad part of England....but a bit chilly and wet.

I hope it won't be to Long before we're no longer a part of Westminster.

Are you eligible to vote in the independence referendum, Dave? Or is it just those who currently live in Scotland?

Only residents of British nationality can vote.

[azda 979]

Not a too bad part of England....but a bit chilly and wet.

I hope it won't be to Long before we're no longer a part of Westminster.

Part of Westminster? Goodness, then why did I have to drive all the way through blasted Northumbria to get there? Silly me!

Next time I'm shopping at Fortnums I'll pop over and see you then Dave. What's the nearest tube stop again?

Moosach Bahnhof Richard

[azda 979]

Although I'm not in any way Scottish, I would love to see Scotland go their own way if only to see the unintended consequences on the rest of the (dis)United Kingdom. What would happen to the union jack? Would England get its own national anthem instead of that awful dirge we have to mouth now? Since most of them are of Scottish descent, who would the Ulster unionists want to be united with? And since they're as popular as rabies in a guide dogs' home north of the border, how long after independence would it be before Scotland kicked out the Windsor dynasty? Looks like it would all be great fun.

Don't see it happening unfortunately.

I don't think it will happen either Derek, people are to scared, but for me i've had enough of a Westminster Government who see to Test every f Ing policy out of Scotland First. Enorme it Rolls out to the Rest of the UK. England has no interest in us apart from the oil

[Nick 329]

Not a too bad part of England....but a bit chilly and wet.

I hope it won't be to Long before we're no longer a part of Westminster.

Are you eligible to vote in the independence referendum, Dave? Or is it just those who currently live in Scotland?

Only residents of British nationality can vote.

Just looked it up and it seems that residents from Commonwealth and EU countries can also vote.

Edited November 30, 2013 by Nick

[goomolique 3]

Not a too bad part of England....but a bit chilly and wet.

I hope it won't be to Long before we're no longer a part of Westminster.

Are you eligible to vote in the independence referendum, Dave? Or is it just those who currently live in Scotland?

Only residents of British nationality can vote.

Just looked it up and it seems that residents from Commwealth and EU countries can also vote.

Correct.

[Peckris 579]

Although I'm not in any way Scottish, I would love to see Scotland go their own way if only to see the unintended consequences on the rest of the (dis)United Kingdom. What would happen to the union jack? Would England get its own national anthem instead of that awful dirge we have to mouth now? Since most of them are of Scottish descent, who would the Ulster unionists want to be united with? And since they're as popular as rabies in a guide dogs' home north of the border, how long after independence would it be before Scotland kicked out the Windsor dynasty? Looks like it would all be great fun.

Don't see it happening unfortunately.

Unfortunately, the Labour Party in Westminster would die, as there are a disproportionate number of Scotsmen among them. We'd be saddled with the self-serving disgrace to humanity aka the Tory Party forever more.

[azda 979]

Not a too bad part of England....but a bit chilly and wet.

I hope it won't be to Long before we're no longer a part of Westminster.

Are you eligible to vote in the independence referendum, Dave? Or is it just those who currently live in Scotland?

Only residents of British nationality can vote.

Just looked it up and it seems that residents from Commwealth and EU countries can also vote.

Correct.

Incorrect, only those Residenz in Scotland can vote

[Nick 329]

Although I'm not in any way Scottish, I would love to see Scotland go their own way if only to see the unintended consequences on the rest of the (dis)United Kingdom. What would happen to the union jack? Would England get its own national anthem instead of that awful dirge we have to mouth now? Since most of them are of Scottish descent, who would the Ulster unionists want to be united with? And since they're as popular as rabies in a guide dogs' home north of the border, how long after independence would it be before Scotland kicked out the Windsor dynasty? Looks like it would all be great fun.

Don't see it happening unfortunately.

Unfortunately, the Labour Party in Westminster would die, as there are a disproportionate number of Scotsmen among them. We'd be saddled with the self-serving disgrace to humanity aka the Tory Party forever more.

Nothing unfortunate about that. And there are plenty of self-serving disgraces in all political parties.

[Nick 329]

Not a too bad part of England....but a bit chilly and wet.

I hope it won't be to Long before we're no longer a part of Westminster.

Are you eligible to vote in the independence referendum, Dave? Or is it just those who currently live in Scotland?

Only residents of British nationality can vote.

Just looked it up and it seems that residents from Commwealth and EU countries can also vote.

Correct.

Incorrect, only those Residenz in Scotland can vote

Yes, you're right. My answer was missing the key word 'Scottish' before residents.

[Peckris 579]

Although I'm not in any way Scottish, I would love to see Scotland go their own way if only to see the unintended consequences on the rest of the (dis)United Kingdom. What would happen to the union jack? Would England get its own national anthem instead of that awful dirge we have to mouth now? Since most of them are of Scottish descent, who would the Ulster unionists want to be united with? And since they're as popular as rabies in a guide dogs' home north of the border, how long after independence would it be before Scotland kicked out the Windsor dynasty? Looks like it would all be great fun.

Don't see it happening unfortunately.

Unfortunately, the Labour Party in Westminster would die, as there are a disproportionate number of Scotsmen among them. We'd be saddled with the self-serving disgrace to humanity aka the Tory Party forever more.

Nothing unfortunate about that. And there are plenty of self-serving disgraces in all political parties.

Let's not get into a political argument. I was brought up from the cradle that morality and human values count for more than acquisition and personal wealth, but I acknowledge that not everyone agrees.

[Nick 329]

Although I'm not in any way Scottish, I would love to see Scotland go their own way if only to see the unintended consequences on the rest of the (dis)United Kingdom. What would happen to the union jack? Would England get its own national anthem instead of that awful dirge we have to mouth now? Since most of them are of Scottish descent, who would the Ulster unionists want to be united with? And since they're as popular as rabies in a guide dogs' home north of the border, how long after independence would it be before Scotland kicked out the Windsor dynasty? Looks like it would all be great fun.

Don't see it happening unfortunately.

Unfortunately, the Labour Party in Westminster would die, as there are a disproportionate number of Scotsmen among them. We'd be saddled with the self-serving disgrace to humanity aka the Tory Party forever more.

Nothing unfortunate about that. And there are plenty of self-serving disgraces in all political parties.

Let's not get into a political argument. I was brought up from the cradle that morality and human values count for more than acquisition and personal wealth, but I acknowledge that not everyone agrees.

Indeed, but the things you list are not mutually exclusive and none of them are the responsibility of government.

[Peckris 579]

Although I'm not in any way Scottish, I would love to see Scotland go their own way if only to see the unintended consequences on the rest of the (dis)United Kingdom. What would happen to the union jack? Would England get its own national anthem instead of that awful dirge we have to mouth now? Since most of them are of Scottish descent, who would the Ulster unionists want to be united with? And since they're as popular as rabies in a guide dogs' home north of the border, how long after independence would it be before Scotland kicked out the Windsor dynasty? Looks like it would all be great fun.

Don't see it happening unfortunately.

Unfortunately, the Labour Party in Westminster would die, as there are a disproportionate number of Scotsmen among them. We'd be saddled with the self-serving disgrace to humanity aka the Tory Party forever more.

Nothing unfortunate about that. And there are plenty of self-serving disgraces in all political parties.

Let's not get into a political argument. I was brought up from the cradle that morality and human values count for more than acquisition and personal wealth, but I acknowledge that not everyone agrees.

Indeed, but the things you list are not mutually exclusive and none of them are the responsibility of government.

No, not the responsibility, you're quite right about that. But some people over the years have attributed more of the 'abstract idealism' values to the Liberal and Labour Parties respectively, where they attribute to the Tories more of the 'traditional values of Church, State, and business'. Bottom line? I've met many many many nice people who've surprised me when I found they voted Conservative; but I've never (in my lifetime) encountered a Tory Party policy that stood for putting other people ahead of their core values of wealth and self interest.

On the other hand, there was Disraeli... if he were alive today, would he find a natural home in today's Tory Party? Now there's a subject for debate, if you like

[Accumulator 52]

Although I'm not in any way Scottish, I would love to see Scotland go their own way if only to see the unintended consequences on the rest of the (dis)United Kingdom. What would happen to the union jack? Would England get its own national anthem instead of that awful dirge we have to mouth now? Since most of them are of Scottish descent, who would the Ulster unionists want to be united with? And since they're as popular as rabies in a guide dogs' home north of the border, how long after independence would it be before Scotland kicked out the Windsor dynasty? Looks like it would all be great fun.

Don't see it happening unfortunately.

Unfortunately, the Labour Party in Westminster would die, as there are a disproportionate number of Scotsmen among them. We'd be saddled with the self-serving disgrace to humanity aka the Tory Party forever more.

Nothing unfortunate about that. And there are plenty of self-serving disgraces in all political parties.

Let's not get into a political argument. I was brought up from the cradle that morality and human values count for more than acquisition and personal wealth, but I acknowledge that not everyone agrees.

Indeed, but the things you list are not mutually exclusive and none of them are the responsibility of government.

No, not the responsibility, you're quite right about that. But some people over the years have attributed more of the 'abstract idealism' values to the Liberal and Labour Parties respectively, where they attribute to the Tories more of the 'traditional values of Church, State, and business'. Bottom line? I've met many many many nice people who've surprised me when I found they voted Conservative; but I've never (in my lifetime) encountered a Tory Party policy that stood for putting other people ahead of their core values of wealth and self interest.

On the other hand, there was Disraeli... if he were alive today, would he find a natural home in today's Tory Party? Now there's a subject for debate, if you like

We've covered religion, racism and now politics, all in the last few days. Something for everyone on here

You may be right about the Tory party, Peckris, but the same arguments apply to labour. Probably all more so. It's just directed at the interests of a different group of people. Why do I always think of George Orwell and Animal Farm when I hear the name Tony Blair mentioned?

[Coppers 58]

"We've covered religion, racism and now politics, all in the last few days. Something for everyone on here :)"

Now here's something that has not been covered yet...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/28/north-devon-uk-picture_n_4357380.html

[azda 979]

"We've covered religion, racism and now politics, all in the last few days. Something for everyone on here :)"

Now here's something that has not been covered yet...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/28/north-devon-uk-picture_n_4357380.html

Lol, thats probably a rogue spy satellite that the NSA has lost contro of. Speaking of morality etc and obviously not trying to get to deep into the subject of polotics, but when did the Government lose touch. This conservative bunch of actors has just NO IDEA of how to Govern. Behind closed doors their wallets are getting fatter and fatter while bleeding the underprivelidged dry, this is like going back to the days of Robin Hood, in fact its not even done behind closed doors.

If this were the 1600s i could see why there was a civil war and i know which side i'd be on, they have completely lost touch with the common man, i read somewhere the other day that Cameron had a wee drugs problem a while back?

Edited November 30, 2013 by azda

[Red Riley 2]

On the other hand, there was Disraeli... if he were alive today, would he find a natural home in today's Tory Party? Now there's a subject for debate, if you like

Unfortunately he would. I suppose I'm a bit of an expert on Disraeli as I give talks on him at Hughenden (or I would do if I hadn't lost my notes...). He was much more of a Tony Blair than a Clement Attlee or even a Margaret Thatcher. Most of the social legislation passed between 1874 and 1880 was the idea of various other members of his government. Attaining power was his forte, not what to do with it once he'd got it and his expansion of the electorate in 1868 much more about his desire to cut the ground from under the Liberals than any egalitarian principles he may have held. That Thatcher was a great admirer says more about her inability to understand people than any noble convictions he may have held.

He was capable of making the right choice, like when he was able to use his undoubted talent for persuasion to avert wars (e.g. the Congress of Berlin) but if we endow him with too much of a social conscience, we are sadly mistaken.

N.B. How do I post on here without repeating anything anybody has ever said on the subject? My attempts to prune it down to Pecks last comment has just left a load of empty boxes. Computers? Tsk.

Edited December 2, 2013 by Red Riley

[Nick 329]

N.B. How do I post on here without repeating anything anybody has ever said on the subject? My attempts to prune it down to Pecks last comment has just left a load of empty boxes. Computers? Tsk.

If you click on the 'switch' icon (top left corner of toolbar) the reply will toggle between textual and graphical. It's much easier to edit using the textual format.

[Red Riley 2]

If you click on the 'switch' icon (top left corner of toolbar) the reply will toggle between textual and graphical. It's much easier to edit using the textual format.

Thanks Nick. If I've got it, this post should come up with just your last post in the box.

Yay!

Edited December 2, 2013 by Red Riley

[scottishmoney 35]

I find it curious that beginning in the 19th century all the little petty states melded into larger empires that were then dismembered beginning in WWI, then we have now states splitting every which way - ala Jugoslavia and the USSR, Czechoslovakia and even more aspiring so. Why cannot people just make up their flipping minds?

[Peckris 579]

On the other hand, there was Disraeli... if he were alive today, would he find a natural home in today's Tory Party? Now there's a subject for debate, if you like

Unfortunately he would. I suppose I'm a bit of an expert on Disraeli as I give talks on him at Hughenden (or I would do if I hadn't lost my notes...). He was much more of a Tony Blair than a Clement Attlee or even a Margaret Thatcher. Most of the social legislation passed between 1874 and 1880 was the idea of various other members of his government. Attaining power was his forte, not what to do with it once he'd got it and his expansion of the electorate in 1868 much more about his desire to cut the ground from under the Liberals than any egalitarian principles he may have held. That Thatcher was a great admirer says more about her inability to understand people than any noble convictions he may have held.

He was capable of making the right choice, like when he was able to use his undoubted talent for persuasion to avert wars (e.g. the Congress of Berlin) but if we endow him with too much of a social conscience, we are sadly mistaken.

N.B. How do I post on here without repeating anything anybody has ever said on the subject? My attempts to prune it down to Pecks last comment has just left a load of empty boxes. Computers? Tsk.

So his 'One Nation' shtick was either deluded or cynical?