4 Points Difference Is Valued At £350

[Paulus 1,975]

It certainly looks like it could be a matt proof, but if CGS have attributed and graded it as such then London Coins have failed to mention that very important fact in their auction catalogue!

For interest/reference, this is the highest graded (92) matt proof that CGS have processed to date:

[Peckris 579]

Yes - if you look at George's strap and the horse's chest muscles on mine, they're the same as the coin on the left, whereas that CGS proof is as detailed as the coin on the right. I think that proves it?

[Gary1000 41]

Yes - if you look at George's strap and the horse's chest muscles on mine, they're the same as the coin on the left, whereas that CGS proof is as detailed as the coin on the right. I think that proves it?

That probably also accounts for the lack of rim dings on the right hand coin.

[Peter 615]

I think that is the proof

[Coinery 1,153]

good spot, Sword!

Thanks for the link, Paulus, what a cracking coin, doesn't seem real! I think it's the first time I've seen such crispness of detail on the strap across the chest!

Edited February 13, 2014 by Coinery

[Paulus 1,975]

good spot, Sword!

Thanks for the link, Paulus, what a cracking coin, doesn't seem real! I think it's the first time I've seen such crispness of detail on the strap across the chest!

Yes it looks like one of those modern 'Millionaire Collection' repros doesn't it!

[azda 979]

I do actually like the 1902 Crown when its UNC and that matte proof is also very nice, unfortunately those two from this Topic are far too toned for me.

Now if it was that matte proof up for sale, i'd have a Pop at it. I'm actually surprised that the matte proof only got a 92, i can't see anything wrong with it, CGS fussy as usual

Edited February 14, 2014 by azda

[Paulus 1,975]

Well I have issues with TPG gradings for many reasons, but I do like CGS' relative strictness and reluctance to dish out maximum grades. It is a totally stunning coin, but perhaps has had a few points deducted on the obverse:

Gasp!

One of my frustrations is that it seems impossible to establish from the TPG how they arrived at a particular grade, even if you paid for the grading yourself. Having said that, if I owned this coin I would be very proud, even though it is a proof!!

[Paulus 1,975]

I wonder how much this one might fetch in a Heritage Auction? I do know that I want at least one stellar (circulating) coin in my collection, pre Victoria

[Sword 1,472]

Well I have issues with TPG gradings for many reasons, but I do like CGS' relative strictness and reluctance to dish out maximum grades. It is a totally stunning coin, but perhaps has had a few points deducted on the obverse:

Gasp!

One of my frustrations is that it seems impossible to establish from the TPG how they arrived at a particular grade, even if you paid for the grading yourself. Having said that, if I owned this coin I would be very proud, even though it is a proof!!

This matt proof sold last year for £480 + juice. It is the variety with the bright edge and was talked about on the forum at the time. (The auction photo was poor with a lot of reflection and so there was little interest here then). Someone slabbed it after purchase. Personally, I am not too excited because of the contact marks and hairline that Paulus highlighted.

[azda 979]

Never saw the hIrline or the ding, even so, i'd still be happy with it as i'm not a perfectionist and we could all critisise each others coins somewhere along the line, if i like it i buy it, i don't buy to please others at the end oft he day

[Rob 3,152]

Never saw the hIrline or the ding, even so, i'd still be happy with it as i'm not a perfectionist and we could all critisise each others coins somewhere along the line, if i like it i buy it, i don't buy to please others at the end oft he day

[Gary1000 41]

Well I have issues with TPG gradings for many reasons, but I do like CGS' relative strictness and reluctance to dish out maximum grades. It is a totally stunning coin, but perhaps has had a few points deducted on the obverse:

Gasp!

One of my frustrations is that it seems impossible to establish from the TPG how they arrived at a particular grade, even if you paid for the grading yourself. Having said that, if I owned this coin I would be very proud, even though it is a proof!!

This matt proof sold last year for £480 + juice. It is the variety with the bright edge and was talked about on the forum at the time. (The auction photo was poor with a lot of reflection and so there was little interest here then). Someone slabbed it after purchase. Personally, I am not too excited because of the contact marks and hairline that Paulus highlighted.

I think the bright edge was just a red herring. At the time I looked at mine and the edge is brightish, definitely much brighter than the currency piece. Also the top surfaces of the lettering are matt. A good way to tell the two coins apart if you are not sure is to look at the edge.

[Peckris 579]

I do actually like the 1902 Crown when its UNC and that matte proof is also very nice, unfortunately those two from this Topic are far too toned for me.

Now if it was that matte proof up for sale, i'd have a Pop at it. I'm actually surprised that the matte proof only got a 92, i can't see anything wrong with it, CGS fussy as usual

Are they photos or scans? If you look at the scans of mine, you will see the difficulty. In hand it is a predominantly untoned, full bright lustre coin (BU). Unfortunately, the scan threw highlights from the lustre all over the place, and even after reducing the highlights and contrast & adjusting the Levels to give that totally unreal appearance you see, the remaining highlights are 'blown' and can't be reduced any further. It only goes to show that the ONLY way to see a coin's full glory, is to have it 'in hand'.

[Accumulator 52]

Now that is a truly beautiful example!

[azda 979]

They are photos Peck,and totally agree with you there AC

[Peter 615]

Without the small mark and light scratch on the obverse I wonder what it would grade at.

We are seeing a blown up picture as well.

[Peckris 579]

To be honest, I don't think those small marks count for much - as Peter says, the picture is blown up, at life size they would be barely noticeable.

[Paulus 1,975]

Life size pics (just an excuse for me to look at it closely again!)

[Gary D 76]

Here's my example. Blown up it look like it's had a good rub at sometime, possible in the mint.

[Gary D 76]

And the other side.

[Gary D 76]

Trying to show the matt surface of the lettering compared to the currency crown.

[azda 979]

This is the only Matte i have, it's the halfcrown EDVII. On a mission now to find a crown that looks as good as the above coin from Paulus

[Nick 329]

The only matt proof crown I have had is this one:

[RLC35 288]

This is the only Matte i have, it's the halfcrown EDVII. On a mission now to find a crown that looks as good as the above coin from Paulus

Nice Dave!