Churchill

[Simon S 0]

As part of a job lot which included a George III 3 shilling bank token, I got my first common all garden Churchill memorial crown, not the most interesting of coins from a value perspective but I did like the engraving, it impressed me with its art work.

[Peckris 579]

As part of a job lot which included a George III 3 shilling bank token, I got my first common all garden Churchill memorial crown, not the most interesting of coins from a value perspective but I did like the engraving, it impressed me with its art work.

Well ... ok!

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[DaveG38 405]

As part of a job lot which included a George III 3 shilling bank token, I got my first common all garden Churchill memorial crown, not the most interesting of coins from a value perspective but I did like the engraving, it impressed me with its art work.

Simon S,

Apologies to you in advance, please don't take it personally, but you must be the first person I've ever come across since 1965 who likes the Churchill engraving!!

[Rob 3,152]

I don't think the engraving is that bad, and I think its medallic character was probably a bit too revolutionary for the masses accustomed to the standard reverse designs seen on all circulation coinage. It's the 20 million copies that are the problem. Never having circulated, they have never been withdrawn, so every single one is still out there.

Edited June 5, 2014 by Rob

[Peckris 579]

Oh, no.

Oh, no.

Oh, no.

Oh, yes.

[Coinery 1,153]

I think it's a radical coin too! Anyone got an unblemished BU out there? No rim nicks, or digs, nice lustre? I want one, please!

[copper123 1,486]

must be one somewhere - afterall mintage was over 5,000,000 not bad for a coin everyone considers ugly

[Gary D 76]

I think it's a radical coin too! Anyone got an unblemished BU out there? No rim nicks, or digs, nice lustre? I want one, please!

Join the que. I don't think they even left the mlnt like that. The nearest you will get is a VIP proof.

[Coinery 1,153]

I think it's a radical coin too! Anyone got an unblemished BU out there? No rim nicks, or digs, nice lustre? I want one, please!

Join the que. I don't think they even left the mlnt like that. The nearest you will get is a VIP proof.

This is what I was thinking, Gary, even the most commonly coin has its rarity!

I'd seriously like a quality one, though, if anyone has such a thing?

[Rob 3,152]

There are a few of us looking for that elusive non-proof quality piece. Silly as it may seem, you could easily see someone (experienced) paying 20 or 30 quid for a Churchill crown. Who would have thought that?

[azda 979]

I think 1 or 2 of our members have lost their minds. It happens to us all eventually

[Paulus 1,975]

Chris has one in UNC for £1.20! (stands back to avoid the stampede)

[scott 144]

I'll offer 25p...

[Coinery 1,153]

I think 1 or 2 of our members have lost their minds. It happens to us all eventually

Hah, yes, indeed! But I can 'just about' make the excuse that I'm simply collecting the Elizabeth coinage, at least until I can start properly lashing out on a top-end E1 collection that I can keep!

I've done the ground work on E1 but, in the mean time, I'm just keeping myself interested with a bit 'o' Liz!

Incidentally, it's this little E2 foray that has had me note the Churchill Crown is not so 'top-collector-grade' common as we'd all like to think it is!

All good fun!

[Coinery 1,153]

Just taken a look at Chris' image of the Churchill! The problem with the overall design ( from the point of view of finding a mint circulation example) is Churchill only has to rub a surface for 20 seconds to show significant marks, such is the flatness of the design.

Another shocking thought occurs, and that is this is a 50 year old coin next year!

[Paulus 1,975]

Just taken a look at Chris' image of the Churchill! The problem with the overall design ( from the point of view of finding a mint circulation example) is Churchill only has to rub a surface for 20 seconds to show significant marks, such is the flatness of the design.

Another shocking thought occurs, and that is this is a 50 year old coin next year!

Which might prompt yet another RM commemorative!

[azda 979]

Just taken a look at Chris' image of the Churchill! The problem with the overall design ( from the point of view of finding a mint circulation example) is Churchill only has to rub a surface for 20 seconds to show significant marks, such is the flatness of the design.

Another shocking thought occurs, and that is this is a 50 year old coin next year!

Which might prompt yet another RM commemorative!

A commemorative of the Churchill commemorative

[DaveG38 405]

Ok, now I'm going to commit heresy. As far as I am concerned, there are many coins, particularly of Elizabeth II where I really don't care that much whether the coin is UNC, UNC with some bag marks or just good EF. I know the conventional wisdom is that top grade is what should be collected, but frankly, the differences between the high grades are very small and it doesn't bother me that much if mine are not all UNC. On this basis, I'm not remotely interested in obtaining one in absolutely perfect condition. Life's too short and there are more interesting older coins to search for and collect.

Right, that's lit the blue touchpaper, now to find my tin helmet.

Edited June 7, 2014 by DaveG38

[Rob 3,152]

Chris has one in UNC for £1.20! (stands back to avoid the stampede)

UNC is not so difficult, it's the without bagmarks as well that's the problem. I have one without bagmarks but not unc, and another unc, but with bagmarks.

[Paulus 1,975]

Chris has one in UNC for £1.20! (stands back to avoid the stampede)

UNC is not so difficult, it's the without bagmarks as well that's the problem. I have one without bagmarks but not unc, and another unc, but with bagmarks.

I know Rob, I was only teasing As Gary suggests, perhaps they (or very very few of them) never even left the Mint in BU condition!

[Peckris 579]

Ok, now I'm going to commit heresy. As far as I am concerned, there are many coins, particularly of Elizabeth II where I really don't care that much whether the coin is UNC, UNC with some bag marks or just good EF. I know the conventional wisdom is that top grade is what should be collected, but frankly, the differences between the high grades are very small and it doesn't bother me that much if mine are not all UNC. On this basis, I'm not remotely interested in obtaining one in absolutely perfect condition. Life's too short and there are more interesting older coins to search for and collect.

Right, that's lit the blue touchpaper, now to find my tin helmet.

No, I think you're absolutely right! (Sorry not to give you a good argument...)

Having said that, most of the designs aren't attractive enough in anything much less than UNC. The halfcrowns, florins and sixpences especially look rather shabby as soon as they start to wear much, same with the obverses.

[DaveG38 405]

Ok, now I'm going to commit heresy. As far as I am concerned, there are many coins, particularly of Elizabeth II where I really don't care that much whether the coin is UNC, UNC with some bag marks or just good EF. I know the conventional wisdom is that top grade is what should be collected, but frankly, the differences between the high grades are very small and it doesn't bother me that much if mine are not all UNC. On this basis, I'm not remotely interested in obtaining one in absolutely perfect condition. Life's too short and there are more interesting older coins to search for and collect.

Right, that's lit the blue touchpaper, now to find my tin helmet.

No, I think you're absolutely right! (Sorry not to give you a good argument...)

Having said that, most of the designs aren't attractive enough in anything much less than UNC. The halfcrowns, florins and sixpences especially look rather shabby as soon as they start to wear much, same with the obverses.

Oh I agree that they go 'off' very quickly. That's why I'm happy to collect in EF and upwards, but I'm not too concerned to go for the nirvana of UNC. I'm primarily a collector and so value/investment is secondary but not completely ignored, and for this reason I can see that Liz II coins in particular are very unlikely to command investment prices in my lifetime, even in the top condition. Hence, I don't see paying top prices for a common and unremarkable coin, even if it is unusual for that date to be found in UNC.

[Coinery 1,153]

Ok, now I'm going to commit heresy. As far as I am concerned, there are many coins, particularly of Elizabeth II where I really don't care that much whether the coin is UNC, UNC with some bag marks or just good EF. I know the conventional wisdom is that top grade is what should be collected, but frankly, the differences between the high grades are very small and it doesn't bother me that much if mine are not all UNC. On this basis, I'm not remotely interested in obtaining one in absolutely perfect condition. Life's too short and there are more interesting older coins to search for and collect.

Right, that's lit the blue touchpaper, now to find my tin helmet.

No, I think you're absolutely right! (Sorry not to give you a good argument...)

Having said that, most of the designs aren't attractive enough in anything much less than UNC. The halfcrowns, florins and sixpences especially look rather shabby as soon as they start to wear much, same with the obverses.

Oh I agree that they go 'off' very quickly. That's why I'm happy to collect in EF and upwards, but I'm not too concerned to go for the nirvana of UNC. I'm primarily a collector and so value/investment is secondary but not completely ignored, and for this reason I can see that Liz II coins in particular are very unlikely to command investment prices in my lifetime, even in the top condition. Hence, I don't see paying top prices for a common and unremarkable coin, even if it is unusual for that date to be found in UNC.

For me it's always about pushing the boundaries and, if you can't keep an eye out for the TOP in E2 coins, then where else can you put together a quality collection?

It totally depends on your focus and, having agreed the E2 coins go 'off' with barely a rub, I can't see why someone wouldn't want the very best? There are few monarchs where you can pursue this at such little cost!

As I said before, for me at least, the E2 coinage is a happy drug, which still gives the buzz if I'm compiling it diligently, and without compromise! I mean, why would you spend one pound on something ordinary, when two pounds buys you a bit of jazz?

Just my anal, pedantic, perfectionist self, coming on...it just wouldn't interest me without this detail and focus!

To each their own! Happy daze!

[Peckris 579]

Ok, now I'm going to commit heresy. As far as I am concerned, there are many coins, particularly of Elizabeth II where I really don't care that much whether the coin is UNC, UNC with some bag marks or just good EF. I know the conventional wisdom is that top grade is what should be collected, but frankly, the differences between the high grades are very small and it doesn't bother me that much if mine are not all UNC. On this basis, I'm not remotely interested in obtaining one in absolutely perfect condition. Life's too short and there are more interesting older coins to search for and collect.

Right, that's lit the blue touchpaper, now to find my tin helmet.

No, I think you're absolutely right! (Sorry not to give you a good argument...)

Having said that, most of the designs aren't attractive enough in anything much less than UNC. The halfcrowns, florins and sixpences especially look rather shabby as soon as they start to wear much, same with the obverses.

Oh I agree that they go 'off' very quickly. That's why I'm happy to collect in EF and upwards, but I'm not too concerned to go for the nirvana of UNC. I'm primarily a collector and so value/investment is secondary but not completely ignored, and for this reason I can see that Liz II coins in particular are very unlikely to command investment prices in my lifetime, even in the top condition. Hence, I don't see paying top prices for a common and unremarkable coin, even if it is unusual for that date to be found in UNC.

For me it's always about pushing the boundaries and, if you can't keep an eye out for the TOP in E2 coins, then where else can you put together a quality collection?

It totally depends on your focus and, having agreed the E2 coins go 'off' with barely a rub, I can't see why someone wouldn't want the very best? There are few monarchs where you can pursue this at such little cost!

As I said before, for me at least, the E2 coinage is a happy drug, which still gives the buzz if I'm compiling it diligently, and without compromise! I mean, why would you spend one pound on something ordinary, when two pounds buys you a bit of jazz?

Just my anal, pedantic, perfectionist self, coming on...it just wouldn't interest me without this detail and focus!

To each their own! Happy daze!

Hmm. When you compare £40 upwards for a genuinely BU 1954 florin against £10 for a BU 1945 (silver) florin, I'm not sure I'd entirely go along with that. But yeah, for type collectors, there's always 1966 and 1967

[davidrj 194]

Another shocking thought occurs, and that is this is a 50 year old coin next year!

That makes me feel very ancient!

Just think - the bun penny 1860-1894 34yrs, the decimal 2p 1971-2014 43 yrs. Sobering thought, even if you rule out all the RM proofs & commemorative crap, there's a significant number of different decimal coins for today's new collectors to go for, I doubt few folk under 50 remember Lsd