coin dealers

[NRP 38]

Azda your shilling I suspect is probably nearer EF than gvf ;-) we photograph them but in batches of 100 so it is easy for a bad picture to slip through!!! Really I should check each one as it is our IT guy that pictures them

[azda 979]

I would say your picture definately looks flat and lifeless, sorry, not TRYING to underestimate it but the picture is definately not flattering the coin in anyway, constructive critisism i hope.

[NRP 38]

No offense taken because you are absolutely correct, it will be sent to the re picturing pile ;-)

[goomolique 3]

Do you Scan your coins or photograph them? Oh and just as an aside, i Have bought from you previously and been happy with what i received, however i cannot say the same for Ingrams (only my opinion)

Yes same here.

[Colin88 54]

In the 'old days' many coins, even expensive ones, weren't photographed on dealers' lists so grading had to be taken on trust. I also bought quite extensively from Grantham Coins in the 90's and generally their grading was reasonable. Over-graders included D J Traynor (what happened to him?) . These days I'd say Mark Rasmussen was a harsher grader than most - his NVF is most people's VF, Studio Coins of Winchester are good too.

Agree with all that....I bought some cracking Siege pieces from Peter at Grantham and have always bought well from MR and Steve Mitchell at Studio.....the worst over grader of all time in my personal opinion was John Welch Coins....I believe D J Traynor went on Her Majesty's naughty step for a while ?

[jaggy 528]

In the 'old days' many coins, even expensive ones, weren't photographed on dealers' lists so grading had to be taken on trust. I also bought quite extensively from Grantham Coins in the 90's and generally their grading was reasonable. Over-graders included D J Traynor (what happened to him?) . These days I'd say Mark Rasmussen was a harsher grader than most - his NVF is most people's VF, Studio Coins of Winchester are good too.

Agree with all that....I bought some cracking Siege pieces from Peter at Grantham and have always bought well from MR and Steve Mitchell at Studio.....the worst over grader of all time in my personal opinion was John Welch Coins....I believe D J Traynor went on Her Majesty's naughty step for a while ?

Yep .. and I bought from Dolphin Coins many moons ago and was pretty happy that I got what I paid for.

[TomGoodheart 402]

Yep .. and I bought from Dolphin Coins many moons ago and was pretty happy that I got what I paid for.

Got my first few coins from Bob at Dolphin.

Gosh, I wish I could buy a few from the Double Sovereign now! But sadly their stock is nothing like it used to be.

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Edited October 15, 2014 by TomGoodheart

[PWA 1967 2,135]

Nice some positives come from my post.I am really supprised some people look on the negatives,the post was not meant in that way.I was not here to name dealers with bad experiences.I have just sent back another three coins from a reputable dealer ,full refund but rejected by c.g.s.The three coins only cost £600 but although the dealer was fair ,could quite easily just put them in a tray.

[Coinery 1,153]

Nice some positives come from my post.I am really supprised some people look on the negatives,the post was not meant in that way.I was not here to name dealers with bad experiences.I have just sent back another three coins from a reputable dealer ,full refund but rejected by c.g.s.The three coins only cost £600 but although the dealer was fair ,could quite easily just put them in a tray.

You buying fakes, then, PWA? 3 seems like more than bad luck! Who's at fault, buyer or vendor?

And I genuinely mean that non-accusationally!

[Paulus 1,975]

Nice some positives come from my post.I am really supprised some people look on the negatives,the post was not meant in that way.I was not here to name dealers with bad experiences.I have just sent back another three coins from a reputable dealer ,full refund but rejected by c.g.s.The three coins only cost £600 but although the dealer was fair ,could quite easily just put them in a tray.

You buying fakes, then, PWA? 3 seems like more than bad luck! Who's at fault, buyer or vendor?

And I genuinely mean that non-accusationally!

That's a good point Coinery makes here ... there are many worthy coins that would be rejected by CGS for various reasons, I actually think it was quite decent of the dealer to agree to refund if rejected (especially as the turnaround for this process is typically a month or so)! Partly depends on the coins though I guess (and of course the reason for rejection, if fake then fair enough) ...

It might be interesting one day to have ratings for coin sellers/dealers/auction houses like they do for hotels and restaurants! Categories could include grading accuracy, attribution, return policy, P&P, speed of delivery, flexibility, commission charges etc etc ... we could start our own Forum thread for that???

Edited October 15, 2014 by Paulus

[PWA 1967 2,135]

No they were not fakes and if you think it was quite decent of the dealer i cant believe. Would you buy faulty goods from a shop the seller gave me a refund straight away.I was still out of pocket with the grading cost but feel money well spent. Coinery you could not get your head round my coins from colin cooke sent to c.g.s..Is this because you have returned coins to them previously ?.

[Paulus 1,975]

PWA, what I mean is this - there are many worthy collectible and valuable coins that will have defects such as scratches, edge knocks, evidence of light cleaning in the past, carbon spots, inactive verdigris traces, and other imperfections. When it comes to hammered coins it is almost impossible (and not expected) to find a faultless coin. So a coin with some imperfections is not necessarily 'faulty', but may be rejected by CGS based on their standards and processes.

I would like a dealer to state that a CGS reject would trigger a refund, I haven't seen that stated as yet? Can you say which dealer it was?

[NRP 38]

As my name has been mentioned at some point in this thread inappropriately in my opinion, I would like to mention it was not me. Peter will back me up on that, whether he tells you who it was or not!!

[Paulus 1,975]

Neil, I for one have no problem with your service, in any of the categories I suggested. Do the coins referenced by PWA come from you, if so I think your returns policy is excellent, if not I think PWA needs to clarify?

Edited October 15, 2014 by Paulus

[PWA 1967 2,135]

Would not be fair to mention a dealer on an open forum the facts are the coins were rejected and my money refunded,as i mentioned although the coins had cost me about £600 and the seller disputed the rejections they were not what i wanted.I am sure they have now been resold and hope the purchaser is happy.The slabbing is my way of having a better knowledge that the collection is what i bought initially.Everyone is different but i will be sending another twenty or so pennies in the next week and only interested in grades of 78 or better.I would not be bothered or dispute a coin of less than £200

the grading is that strict that i check the coin thoroughly myself and then still get a second opinion,some can still be rejected.This means if the dealer is honest i would ask for a refund and hope i have a relationship and understanding that i have not touched or damaged the coin in anyway.

[PWA 1967 2,135]

THEY WERE NOT NEILS infact i could not speak highly enough of him ,as will be noticed in my previous posts

[Paulus 1,975]

PWA I am also a fan of CGS in certain situations, I have had around 70 coins slabbed by them now for various reasons, I have met with their graders, and understand the pros and cons (for me).

I mention / defend Neil / Colin Cooke / NRP because they are all the same person / dealer, i.e. Colin Cooke Coins

[Coinery 1,153]

No they were not fakes and if you think it was quite decent of the dealer i cant believe. Would you buy faulty goods from a shop the seller gave me a refund straight away.I was still out of pocket with the grading cost but feel money well spent. Coinery you could not get your head round my coins from colin cooke sent to c.g.s..Is this because you have returned coins to them previously ?.

I think there is some confusion here? What I was meaning was this...you said 3 coins were sent back to a seller, after being rejected by CGS? If they weren't fakes (which you've now said they weren't), I was thinking that they might otherwise be rejected on issues that perhaps should've been spotted by an advanced collector, particularly one who's sending off coins in expectation of achieving a CGS78 or greater?

[Coinery 1,153]

To be honest, I'm totally baffled?? I cannot for the life of me see how Colin Cooke and return coins from CGS have become intertwined here anyway?

[PWA 1967 2,135]

The supprised me post was meant towards comments you made five days ago not todays.. The coins were part of a batch looked at by people with over eighty years experience,I was amazed as they were ,however the coins were rejected.They were not purchased from neil/colin cooke.The fact you mention should of been spotted by an advanced collector i dispute.You mention in an earlier thread you have had coins rejected by c.g.s.or maybe i am mistaken maybe i am learning from your mistakes,did you get your money back? .I dont want to sound as if i am bringing up comments from five days ago and i apollogise but i am not an advanced collector.I am however someone who is willing to listen and learn.

[Coinery 1,153]

I'm still a little confused but, anyway, yes, I had coins rejected from my first ever batch sent to CGS. An old W4 copper with 'active' verd was one of them. It was an experiment but, generally (mostly), I'd say their calls were fair, I have to say in their defence.

Anyway, we're all here to collect and learn, as you say...it's a great forum...onward ever onward!

[PWA 1967 2,135]

Yes coinery no problem with that.The post was made initially with coins not even sent to c.g.s. they were just obviously not right even to someone like me not right.

[Coinery 1,153]

It was a good thread, PWA...threads like it always tend to winkle out something interesting! Have a good weekend! Happy hunting!

Stuart

[azda 979]

You should bear in mind that CGS are difficult graders. I'm assuming PWA bought the 3 coins in the dealers grade and sent them to CGS and for whatever reason CGS would'nt assign a grade perhaps due to cleaning or whatever

Edited October 17, 2014 by azda

[PWA 1967 2,135]

Although the thread was about coins not even sen to c.g.s. ,When a coin comes back from them even if rejected they are still given a grade.They dont however put a value on i.e unc cleaned rejected