Guineas

[Mynki 23]

Do many people specialise in collecting these?

Thanks in advance.

Edited November 4, 2014 by Mynki

[sound 25]

Mynki,

I suspect some but not many. It's the sort of coin that many will have one of but that's it. Others may disagree.

Mark

Edited November 4, 2014 by sound

[Peckris 579]

I don't collect gold, but if I did, I think the guinea would do it for me, much more than the sov. There's something romantic and olde world about the guinea.

[PhilipC 0]

I don't collect gold, but if I did, I think the guinea would do it for me, much more than the sov. There's something romantic and olde world about the guinea.

I collect guineas by type. They seem to have very high prices for an item that most people don't appear to collect. I suspect most people buy one or two they like and that's it.

The rarity ratings for guineas and prices in the various catalogues are wildly out (IMHO).

Philip

[numismatist 2]

PhilipC is certainly right about the rarity ratings as most price guides just keep

to the same prices for multiple dates whereas some dates always turn up and other

dates have not been seen for years.

I've never heard to a rarity guide to Guinea Dates but Spinks did one for Five Guineas

" The Rarity of Five Guinea Pieces -An Analysis " It was I think in the Samuel King Collection

The shows the Rarest Five Guinea to be the 1674 date that even Murdock Duveen and King

never found an example of, yet one slipped through the London Sales for £3000.00 in 2004

I notice Spinks only list it at £3500.00 Fine and £7750.00 VF in their latest Catalogue !!!

I wonder what they would want for one

[PhilipC 0]

PhilipC is certainly right about the rarity ratings as most price guides just keep

to the same prices for multiple dates whereas some dates always turn up and other

dates have not been seen for years.

I've never heard to a rarity guide to Guinea Dates but Spinks did one for Five Guineas

" The Rarity of Five Guinea Pieces -An Analysis " It was I think in the Samuel King Collection

The shows the Rarest Five Guinea to be the 1674 date that even Murdock Duveen and King

never found an example of, yet one slipped through the London Sales for £3000.00 in 2004

I notice Spinks only list it at £3500.00 Fine and £7750.00 VF in their latest Catalogue !!!

I wonder what they would want for one

Yes Spink have told me they will be producing an "English Gold Coins" book or EGC to match their ESC book. Hopefully that will identify the rarities a bit better. Don't know when though, I will ask next time I am in there.

A new version of ESC itself is due very soon, looks much better with loads more pictures. Hopefully the rarity ratings in that will be brought nearer the mark, too

I suspect a 1674 5 Guineas in fine would be £10K. Samuel King was the only person I have ever heard of who collected 5 guinea pieces by date.

Philip

[Rob 3,152]

Murdoch did. He had 43 out of 47(?)

[sound 25]

Does anyone have a picture or know of one of a Spade Guinea in UNC or near so.

Regards

Mark

[Paulus 1,975]

Mark, this is a CGS population coin graded 75 (UNC or near so)

[sound 25]

Thanks. That would seem right grading wise to my eye.

I have noticed a real discrepancy in grading these in the market. I know that can be said about a lot of coins but it seems particularly so.

Paulus did you take the pic, it's a good one?

Mark

[Paulus 1,975]

Thanks. That would seem right grading wise to my eye.

I have noticed a real discrepancy in grading these in the market. I know that can be said about a lot of coins but it seems particularly so.

Paulus did you take the pic, it's a good one?

Mark

Hey Mark, no, it's a CGS pic and not my coin

[sound 25]

LOL, I was going to ask you your camera settings.

[Rob 3,152]

LOL, I was going to ask you your camera settings.

Placed carefully in camera bag.

[Peckris 579]

One thing you can say though - Guineas is good for you

[Rob 3,152]

One thing you can say though - Guineas is good for you

Your doctor needs to check your prescription. What are you on?

[Peckris 579]

One thing you can say though - Guineas is good for you

Your doctor needs to check your prescription. What are you on?

Guineass

[Mynki 23]

So, just out of interest, what would you all value this coin at?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Guinea-22ct-GOLD-COIN-George-III-1804-/171506612641?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item27ee9739a1

I can't see it being worth more than £120 - £150 but value your thoughts.

[Michael-Roo 781]

So, just out of interest, what would you all value this coin at?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Guinea-22ct-GOLD-COIN-George-III-1804-/171506612641?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item27ee9739a1

I can't see it being worth more than £120 - £150 but value your thoughts.

Mmmm.

The pricing is VERY optimistic indeed, isn't it. Spink quotes £150 for Fine. I think you're right in your estimate, probably even less. If you want it you could always make a cheeky offer, especially if you wait until near the end of the listing time when it becomes obvious to the seller no one is going to pay the opening price.

[Mynki 23]

I don't collect gold, but if I did, I think the guinea would do it for me, much more than the sov. There's something romantic and olde world about the guinea.

I collect guineas by type. They seem to have very high prices for an item that most people don't appear to collect. I suspect most people buy one or two they like and that's it.

The rarity ratings for guineas and prices in the various catalogues are wildly out (IMHO).

Philip

I've noticed the prices in Spinks catalogues being wildly innacurate. I've created a spreadsheet detailing grade and prices realised of some issues over the last few years from popular auction houses and there is a massive difference. As much as 100% with some!

[Paulus 1,975]

I don't collect gold, but if I did, I think the guinea would do it for me, much more than the sov. There's something romantic and olde world about the guinea.

I collect guineas by type. They seem to have very high prices for an item that most people don't appear to collect. I suspect most people buy one or two they like and that's it.

The rarity ratings for guineas and prices in the various catalogues are wildly out (IMHO).

Philip

I've noticed the prices in Spinks catalogues being wildly innacurate. I've created a spreadsheet detailing grade and prices realised of some issues over the last few years from popular auction houses and there is a massive difference. As much as 100% with some!

Any chance you would be prepared to share your findings?

[Peter 615]

Maybe the seller ought to be informed it is a third guinea

[Mynki 23]

Paulus - It's simple really, I've basically looked at available stock, got the Spinks code and created an Excel spreadsheet with all the sales going back over the last five years. I didn't really see the point in going back much further etc. Basically you record the coin code, year, condition, auction house, date, lot number and other pertinent details as well as the sales price. There are a couple of formulas in there to add buyers premiums and related costs etc depending on the relevent auction house.

You can then see a real world price as opposed to what is in the Spinks catalogue etc.

I've only done a few coins that I'm interested in so far, but I'm sure it will grow into a worthwhile resource in time as and when I've added more data etc. I'm sure many of the dealers on here have something very similar, but likely with far more useful data than mine at present.

Hope that helps.

Peter - The gentleman has been informed. He does acknowledge that his price is somewhat ambitious, however as he only paid £43 for it apparently, then he's happy to sit on it for some time....

[Paulus 1,975]

Does anyone have a picture or know of one of a Spade Guinea in UNC or near so.

Regards

Mark

This is my best type example, I would grade it very highly