Time for a mini-round of 'guess the CGS grade'?

[Paulus 1,979]

Got a small batch back from CGS today (finally, 9 weeks)

First coin, my keeper for this type, what grade did they assign to it? And for a bonus point, what variety is it?

[hazelman 44]

MS64

[Paulus 1,979]

Second coin, had to get this authenticated given the high quality Chinese stuff that's about, grade guesses?

[Paulus 1,979]

Third (and final) coin:

Edited January 23, 2015 by Paulus

[Paulus 1,979]

MS64

CGS grade on their own (unique?) scale of 1-100, with MS64 being equivalent to CGS 80, so I will take that as your guess!

[PWA 1967 2,213]

1887 -78

1927-85

1819-70

Although i am only guessing and slab pennies

[Coinery 1,222]

Not playing, but a lovely G5 crown, Paulus! Really nice...is that also a keeper for type?

Edit: is that a nick at the obverse 4 0'clock? Only thing to catch it in my opinion.

Edited January 23, 2015 by Coinery

[Paulus 1,979]

Not playing, but a lovely G5 crown, Paulus! Really nice...is that also a keeper for type?

Thank you Stuart for even clicking on the TPG thread! Yes, I'll be keeping that one (and I won't have to worry about paying silly prices for a 1934, like those silly date collector completer types have to!)

[Nick 329]

1. 80 (1 + A)

2. 88

3. 78

[Paulus 1,979]

Not playing, but a lovely G5 crown, Paulus! Really nice...is that also a keeper for type?

Edit: is that a nick at the obverse 4 0'clock? Only thing to catch it in my opinion.

No nicks that I can see, must be something on the CGS pic. Here is the auction pic:

Apart from the inexplicable spot at 4 o/clock on the CGS pic, the CGS pic is considerably more attractive to me than the (DNW) auction pic... photos are everything when it comes to distance selling!

Edited January 23, 2015 by Paulus

[hazelman 44]

1. Cgs 80

2. Cgs 88

3. Cgs 82

[Paulus 1,979]

I will post their grades after a few more members have had a chance to guess, but one of the reasons I like to do this from time to time is that it helps to establish whether CGS grading is 'predictable'. We all have concerns over the consistency, accuracy, strictness, vested-interest-ness of TPGs, every little helps - this is not of course, to any degree, a 'quantitative' analysis!.

Nick is correct with the 1 + A for the 1887 ('lace open at front of veil')

[azda 981]

1: CGS 80

2: CGS 75

3: CGS 70

[Coinery 1,222]

Not playing, but a lovely G5 crown, Paulus! Really nice...is that also a keeper for type?

Edit: is that a nick at the obverse 4 0'clock? Only thing to catch it in my opinion.

No nicks that I can see, must be something on the CGS pic. Here is the auction pic:

Apart from the inexplicable spot at 4 o/clock on the CGS pic, the CGS pic is considerably more attractive to me than the (DNW) auction pic... photos are everything when it comes to distance selling!

I'm so glad it's not rim nicked! Must be the CGS image, then!

[Nick 329]

Nick is correct with the 1 + A for the 1887 ('lace open at front of veil')

Davies is usually good at picking the best features for determining varieties, but for the Jubilee head halfcrowns he didn't. I could never work out what the open/closed lace at front of veil was all about. Michael Gouby's method makes it much easier.

Edited January 23, 2015 by Nick

[Rob 3,189]

82, 80 and 75.

Edited January 23, 2015 by Rob

[ozjohn 677]

82, 75 & 80. The wreath crown was 80+ on the obverse but the high parts of the thistles and the center of the roses were a little weak. I think this was a striking issue rather than wear as the obverse was so good. In all they are all cracking good coins.

[Sword 1,516]

Nick is correct with the 1 + A for the 1887 ('lace open at front of veil')

Davies is usually good at picking the best features for determining varieties, but for the Jubilee head halfcrowns he didn't. I could never work out what the open/closed lace at front of veil was all about. Michael Gouby's method makes it much easier.

Thank you! Gouby's method is really so much clearer

[Sword 1,516]

1) CGS 75

2) CGS 88

3) CGS 70

[Peckris 579]

1. EF

2. aFDC

3. GEF

[Coinery 1,222]

1. EF

2. aFDC

3. GEF

[TomGoodheart 407]

42

What? I wanted to play too!

[azda 981]

Wir warten auf die ergebnisse

[Paulus 1,979]

lol, ok Dave ... well, some of you got the Viccy half-crown spot-on, and everyone was close - 80 (Choice UNC)

The proof crown, 85 (Choice UNC - BU)

But in their infinite wisdom, CGS have rejected the GEF (IMO) GIII crown as 'Re-Toned' - quite how they determine that I have no idea! Booo.

[Coinery 1,222]

Isn't retoned the same as cleaned? They would, in a round about way, be saying it's cleaned?