London Coins Catalogue Out

[Prax 80]

Did you find anything you fancy. For me just the F6 and perhaps the 1876 H wide dates.

Good luck all.

[Nick 329]

There are another couple of fake 1818 halfcrowns up for auction, if anyone is interested (Lots 1990 and 1991). They exhibit the same nicks and dents etc as previously noted (see LCA Auction 02/03/2014, lots 1652 and 1653).

[Paulus 1,975]

There are another couple of fake 1818 halfcrowns up for auction, if anyone is interested (Lots 1990 and 1991). They exhibit the same nicks and dents etc as previously noted (see LCA Auction 02/03/2014, lots 1652 and 1653).

Not again, they really need to get their act together! Most of these have an incorrect die axis, so should be easy to spot!

Edited February 5, 2015 by Paulus

[jaggy 528]

Three lots for me.

[jacinbox 36]

There are another couple of fake 1818 halfcrowns up for auction, if anyone is interested (Lots 1990 and 1991). They exhibit the same nicks and dents etc as previously noted (see LCA Auction 02/03/2014, lots 1652 and 1653).

Not again, they really need to get their act together! Most of these have an incorrect die axis, so should be easy to spot!

More of the same I guess. Their catalog has so many certified coins that don't conform to their grading guidelines (ummmm I wonder what's happening there)

http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?searchlot=1679&searchtype=2&page=Catalogue - PCGS 63 - CGS 82

http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?searchlot=1771&searchtype=2&page=Catalogue - NGC 63 - CGS 80

http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?searchlot=1729&searchtype=2&page=Catalogue - NGC 65 - CGS 85

http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?searchlot=2184&searchtype=2&page=Catalogue - PCGS 64 - CGS 82

abc coin was graded MS 63 and was regraded by CGS as 82 ---

[jacinbox 36]

CGS Numerical Grade Average Raw UK Grade Average Standard USA Sheldon 100 FDC MS70 99 FDC MS70 98 FDC MS70 97 FDC MS70 96 FDC M69 95 FDC MS 68 -69 94 AFDC MS68 93 AFDC MS 67 -68 92 AFDC MS67 91 AFDC MS66 -67 90 NFDC MS 66 88 BU -NFDC MS65 -66 85 Choice UNC - BU MS 65 82 Choice UNC MS 64 -65 80 Choice UNC MS 64 78 UNC MS 63 -64 75 UNC or near so MS 62 - 63 70 AU MS60 -61 65 GEF MS60 -61 60 EF AU58 - MS60 55 NEF AU55 50 GVF AU55 45 GVF AU 53 40 VF AU 50 35 NVF EF 45 30 GF EF 40 25 GF F35 20 F F30 15 NF 10 VG 8 VG 5 GOOD 4 FAIR 3 FAIR 2 FAIR 1 FAIR

Best of them all is the 1868 penny which even according to them is nearly UNC but gets a CGS 80. KUDOS!!!!!!!!!!

[azda 979]

They are far from consistent in their grading standards. I quite liked the attached coin in their sale, described as:

1839 No W.W. Plain edge Proof, Reverse upright, ESC 1284 nFDC with hints of green and gold toning

Failed to mention the edge knock at 11 oclock though

[Nick 329]

They are far from consistent in their grading standards.

... and this is UNC apparently. http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?searchlot=1995&searchtype=2&page=Catalogue

[azda 979]

They are far from consistent in their grading standards.

... and this is UNC apparently. http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?searchlot=1995&searchtype=2&page=Catalogue

Looks like they have some new graders at CGS, from the blind school.

[jacinbox 36]

They are far from consistent in their grading standards. I quite liked the attached coin in their sale, described as:

1839 No W.W. Plain edge Proof, Reverse upright, ESC 1284 nFDC with hints of green and gold toning

Failed to mention the edge knock at 11 oclock though

it was an oversight. you do recognise that don't you

[jacinbox 36]

They are far from consistent in their grading standards.

... and this is UNC apparently. http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?searchlot=1995&searchtype=2&page=Catalogue

At least it did not get a CGS 95, which it may if sent for grading based on who sent it

Edited February 6, 2015 by jacinbox

[pokal02 44]

Some strange undergrading as well as overgrading. See the two 1666 crowns, I'd agree VG for the second but 'VG, rev slightly better' for the first? Some dealers would grade it VF!! I'd say Fine or perhaps 'about Fine'. (How can the 2 obverses possibly be considered identical?)

[VickySilver 832]

I agree with jacin that the submitter is all-important if they have the money, influence or connection based on their own graded coins coming up for sale. I think PCGS may do likewise on occasion as well; NGC not sure, but see that they don't seem to be able to identify even milled patterns and proofs. And sadly, we have but the pictures to go by that are occasionally misleading.

That having been said, I did see a couple of coins of marginal interest if no have-to-haves...

[Nick 329]

Some strange undergrading as well as overgrading. See the two 1666 crowns, I'd agree VG for the second but 'VG, rev slightly better' for the first? Some dealers would grade it VF!! I'd say Fine or perhaps 'about Fine'. (How can the 2 obverses possibly be considered identical?)

Are you not confusing the 1666 description with the 1664 picture? The VG 1666 crown obverses don't look far apart in grade to me.

[pokal02 44]

Lot 1627 is the under-graded one, lot 1629 is the one that looks about right?

[Coppers 58]

In their prior auctions, didn't the the "single English coins" section only contain unencapsuated (non-CGS) coins? Looks like this time it now includes both those which are encapsulated and those which are not.

[Nick 329]

Lot 1627 is the under-graded one, lot 1629 is the one that looks about right?

Those are the two I was looking at, but neither obverse is better than fair to my mind. However, I only usually look at later milled coinage and have no knowledge of earlier series.

Edited February 6, 2015 by Nick

[jaggy 528]

Lot 2369 looks like it might have been dipped. What do the rest of you think?

http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?searchlot=2369&searchtype=2&page=Catalogue

[azda 979]

Found a little something in there

[Colin88 54]

They are far from consistent in their grading standards. I quite liked the attached coin in their sale, described as:

1839 No W.W. Plain edge Proof, Reverse upright, ESC 1284 nFDC with hints of green and gold toning

Failed to mention the edge knock at 11 oclock though

That is worrying though ...that no mention is made of this very obvious edge knock....they cant have missed it...

[azda 979]

I don't think they could have either Colin, must belong to someone they know. Standards are dropping

[Coinery 1,157]

I think there's a tendency to think that you devalue the coin by being brutally honest? However, the types of collectors that buy at this level are hardly going to miss such a significant problem...why don't they just say it as it is!

[azda 979]

I think there's a tendency to think that you devalue the coin by being brutally honest? However, the types of collectors that buy at this level are hardly going to miss such a significant problem...why don't they just say it as it is!

Exactly Stewie

[Peter 615]

Once it is a slab you won't see it.

I've witnessed this before.

Trust and integrity is missing in my opinion.

[PWA 1967 2,142]

Results are up for anyone interested.