Round-Backed, Angle-Backed?

[Coinery 1,157]

Any thoughts on this?

The E is taken from the obverse of a Class 11 Edward Penny looks like a round-back to me? Can I have some views/agreeances (or not) with this please?

The C is from the Reverse of same which, in view of some of the 'proper' angle-backs (or pointed back by some), looks more rounded than angled. Any thoughts on the C in partictular?

The obverse fits no other North classification except 11a2 (which presents with a round-backed E).

The reverse lettering is of the same style as the obverse, I just need some expert eyes on this C

Round-backed or Pointed/Angle-Backed C? Angle-back would make it a mule (I'm guessing you can mule within classes?), a round-back would make everything right for type.

HELP!

[Rob 3,152]

Based on what is written in North, I would say an angular back. Fig.5 on p.35 is referred to on the following page as angular back and it matches the C profile.

[Coinery 1,157]

Thanks, Rob. What's throwing me is the base of the E where it meets the flan, possibly the best indicator of a punches' true shape, is very much round.

Are your thoughts angle-backed for both letters?

Cheers in advance.

Crazy thing is it's only a £3.20 coin, but it's an important journey on this new path of mine.

[Rob 3,152]

This is the page that shows the Ed.II letters and crowns. Fig. 5 is described as angular. The base is round on this one too.

[Coinery 1,157]

Thanks!

What I meant by base, wasn't bottom of the letter, but where the entire outer 'outer'-edge of the letter joins with the field, which you wouldn't see in a 2d picture, if you know what I mean?

The reason I persist in this point is some of the pictures I've seen of round-backs are sometimes 'flecked' for want of a better word, whereas the angle-backs are mostly really triangular behind.

I completely get your perspective on this, using the diagrams and plates, but it leaves me still somewhat confused and unconvinced. There appears to be an inbetween state, which buggers things re a simple classification?

[Coinery 1,157]

Sorry, and re-reading your post, what do you think of the E?

[Rob 3,152]

Any letter is only going to be as sharply cut as the quality of the punch. A worn letter punch would have former right angles rounded off, I would have thought, so maybe we are talking older and newer punches. The E looks more rounded than the C.

[Coinery 1,157]

Not an easy series at all!

[Coinery 1,157]

Any letter is only going to be as sharply cut as the quality of the punch. A worn letter punch would have former right angles rounded off, I would have thought, so maybe we are talking older and newer punches. The E looks more rounded than the C.

This was my point, really, about the honesty of the punch often hiding in its root, poetically speaking!

[Coinery 1,157]

Just reading Wren on the back of the boat...bliss!

Anyway, aside from all that, I've just read the term in Wren that says for 11b that the 'C and E now have distinctly angular backs to them.'

Nothing from PW, yet, what about you Mr Knipe?

Edit: I'm particularly interested in the term 'distinctly,' as there appears to be quite a range from a clear round-back, through to the most angular/triangular of E's and C's!

Edited April 7, 2015 by Coinery

[Coinery 1,157]

Is Mr Wren still around?

Anyone with a contact if so?