Halfcrown 1920: where is the difference between Spink 4021 and 4021A

[Andriulis 5]

Hello,

I need your help again. Could someone shown in pictures where is the difference? Is it only in portrait or in other details too?

Thanks

[declanwmagee 122]

Hi Andriulis,

The best way to tell the difference is a very slight difference in the pointing of the A in GRA

Spink 4021 covers Obv 1 and Obv 2

Spink 4021A is Obv 3

Obv 1: A at a bead

Obv 2: A between beads

Obv 3: A is just to the right of a bead

There's also two reverses for the 1920 halfcrown:

Rev A: Raised edge to garter above F, no pocket above C

Rev B: Plain edge to garter above F, pocket above C

The possible combinations, by Davies number, are:

1+A, D.1672 (commonest)

1+B, D.1673 (scarce)

2+A, D.1674 (scarcest)

3+A, D.1675 (common)

3+B, D.1676 (scarce)

In addition, Peter Davies has added a D.1675B, which is a modified Obv 3, characterised by a thicker rim, with tiny beads rather than small teeth. It's probably scarcer than any of the previously documented coins.

Sorry it's not photos, but hope that helps

Declan : )

[Mr T 189]

In addition, Peter Davies has added a D.1675B, which is a modified Obv 3, characterised by a thicker rim, with tiny beads rather than small teeth. It's probably scarcer than any of the previously documented coins.

Is it mentioned in any literature?

[Coinery 1,219]

Nice one, Declan!

[Andriulis 5]

Many thanks, Declan

[declanwmagee 122]

In addition, Peter Davies has added a D.1675B, which is a modified Obv 3, characterised by a thicker rim, with tiny beads rather than small teeth. It's probably scarcer than any of the previously documented coins.

Is it mentioned in any literature?

All I know about 1675B, Mr T, is that Mr Davies was selling a GF example a couple of years ago. I don't suppose he still has it!

[Mr T 189]

All I know about 1675B, Mr T, is that Mr Davies was selling a GF example a couple of years ago. I don't suppose he still has it!

No I suppose not. Does he have a website?

[Andriulis 5]

I'm still trying. Is that Spink 4021? Obv. 1?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1920-GEORGE-V-HALF-CROWN-EF-ESC-states-this-coin-is-scarce-/361288695494?hash=item541e7bfec6

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1920-George-V-Silver-Half-Crown-Scarce-GVF-/252000906274?hash=item3aac6cac22

Thanks

[Nonmortuus 927]

From what Declan posted it looks like it yes to my eyes.

[ozjohn 677]

Try Micheal Coins site where different reverses of 1920 halfcrowns are presented in his lists of UK coins.

[declanwmagee 122]

http://www.michael-coins.co.uk/hc1920%20rev%20A+B.htm

really good photos and description! I did have a reverse B once but sold it before doing my homework....oops

[ozjohn 677]

I thought I had a reverse B and sent a picture to Micheal who confirmed it was. It was a narrow relief on the reverse which was different from the example that Micheal had. I brought it from NGS in Florida as a MS 62 which was a rare case where the grading was correct as I don't think NGS understood the poor strikes of that period.

[Mr T 189]

http://www.michael-coins.co.uk/hc1920%20rev%20A+B.htm

really good photos and description! I did have a reverse B once but sold it before doing my homework....oops

Ah thanks!

[ozjohn 677]

With reference to my earlier post should read shallow relief not narrow relief. Sorry if there is any confusion.

[Andriulis 5]

Hello again,

thats my new purchase. Am I right, that it's high relief obverse (Spink 4021)? And what grade could it be? I think it's VF, maybe slightly better, but weakly struck reverse.

Any comments are welcome, be harsh.

Thanks

[PWA 1967 2,211]

Not want to put a negative in.

However V/F or better i am not sure about that.

[Andriulis 5]

I'm only trying to work with "Grading British coins". It's still very possible, that I understood it's information not very correctly.

[PWA 1967 2,211]

You said be harsh so being honest it appears to be.......Terrible ?.

[Andriulis 5]

Thanks PWA 1967. Could you explain a little bit more?

Technically I try to look at the edge of the shield and moto in reverse. For me it corresponds to VF picture in "Grading British coins". Same in obverse - end of mustache, top of ear and hairlines are flattened, but still corresponds to VF picture. Where are my main mistakes?

Thanks

[Andriulis 5]

I've tried to contrast picture more. Maybe that will show my views better.

[Andriulis 5]

picture

[PWA 1967 2,211]

Lot of people on here with much more knowledge than me.

Hopefully someone else will give you an opinion.

The last few pictures make it appear better.

Pete.

[Rob 3,185]

The pictures really don't help. It looks as if the I in HONI is virtually flat, in which case it would be difficult to assign a grade higher than fine, but then the rest looks better. Assuming the I is a red herring, then VF or so is probably right.

[Andriulis 5]

Thanks for your answers.

[PWA 1967 2,211]

I learned that some pictures worth looking at again your later ones better.

Sure you can find a better one though does not seem something rare/unusual.

Can i ask what you paid for it ?.

Thats the important bit ,so if you want to buy a better one you can get your money back.