Penny Model 1 error (extra E)

[Dutchgreener 1]

Hello everybody!

First, sorry for my poor English, I'm from the Netherlands so please be gentle...

In my collection I have some Model 1 penny's in a very good state.

Today I was looking at them when 1 coin looked strange.

The coin has an extra letter E in the word "penny".

I can not find any information about it.

Has anybody got more information?

Sorry for the poor pics, just made them with an Iphone...

Best regards,

The Dutch guy.

Ps: I could not find a space to introducé museale properly so of anybody wants more info, shoot!

[Rob 3,238]

Who's a lucky boy then. Peck 2092A. Rare, though a couple on this forum have one. e.g. http://www.predecimal.com/forum/topic/8822-model-pennies/?hl=penney#entry104511

A bit of filler info. Made by Joseph Moore, a Birmingham die sinker in the mid-1800s to be considered as a proposed alternative to the existing heavy copper coinage. It was popular with people, but not adopted, so that the Royal Mint had to publicly disown them.

Edited September 5, 2015 by Rob

[Coinery 1,254]

Looks to be a fabulous grade too!

[Paulus 1,980]

Nice one, I am 'green' with envy!

And welcome to the forum, what else do you have?

[Dutchgreener 1]

Who's a lucky boy then. Peck 2092A. Rare, though a couple on this forum have one. e.g. http://www.predecimal.com/forum/topic/8822-model-pennies/?hl=penney#entry104511

A bit of filler info. Made by Joseph Moore, a Birmingham die sinker in the mid-1800s to be considered as a proposed alternative to the existing heavy copper coinage. It was popular with people, but not adopted, so that the Royal Mint had to publicly disown them.

Well look at that...

I paid 16 euro for 2 of those penny's.

Only one with the extra E.

Whas that a good deal?

How rare would you call this specific coin?

Those penny's are not the coins I normally buy but they looked very interesting to me.

Best regards,

[Dutchgreener 1]

Nice one, I am 'green' with envy!

And welcome to the forum, what else do you have?

Do you mean in my collection?

[Paulus 1,980]

Yes, what is your focus? Do you have many English coins?

[Dutchgreener 1]

No not that much.

I collect guilders and old ducats from the Netherlands. (But the older pieces are just too expensive)

I also love the old VOC coins, just because of the bizarre history.

But sometimes I just buy something I like, Morgan dollar, some old Thaler from Austria and now this strange penny.

Love the history of these older coins!

[Paulus 1,980]

Don't suppose you have a Dutch Cromwell English silver example by any chance?

What are VOC coins?

[bagerap 706]

Vereenigde Oost-Indische Compagnie or Dutch East India Company. Hundreds of extremely cheap coins for the collector. All sorts of bizarre varieties, and the company ranged pretty much all over the known world at the time. Pretty much like their hated rivals the E.I.C.

[scott 145]

VOC coins

[Dutchgreener 1]

Yes we call it de VOC over here.

This is why I like coins.

Al the history of your country in a single little piece of metal and all the nice people on the forums.

The Dutch "duiten" as we call them are indeed very cheap even at highest grades.

In the same time period there where more nice Coins in circulation like the zilveren rijder (silver rider, 6 stuiver) or the dubbele stuivers (silver 2 s pieces)

The silver pieces where struck in the millions so for a few euro's you can buy them.

The copper ones Scott showed van be purchased at even power prices but good and rare pieces can fetch prices that will go in triple diggits.

About the Penny with the extra E.

Does someone has an idea about the mintage, I want to know if its rare enough to be slabbed for the future.

Because my interest is more at other coins, is there a marker dor this Penny?

Best regards

[Chingford 166]

There is a book, self published by Tony Barter, link below

http://www.blurb.co.uk/b/2204095-bimetallic-model-penny-and-halfpenny-by-anthony-ke

Model coins are a fascinating series and were produced worldwide, not just in the UK, as learning tools, Play money and as with your coin

and tokens, alternatives to everyday currency, some official others not

Value wise is variable, I sold one in Auction for £700 in 2013, yet another sold at the same auction house in 2014 for £300, http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/

numbers quoted are less than 10 known, of which only one in a reverse error, the error predominately on the Obverse

Regards

John

[PWA 1967 2,269]

Who's a lucky boy then. Peck 2092A. Rare, though a couple on this forum have one. e.g. http://www.predecimal.com/forum/topic/8822-model-pennies/?hl=penney#entry104511

A bit of filler info. Made by Joseph Moore, a Birmingham die sinker in the mid-1800s to be considered as a proposed alternative to the existing heavy copper coinage. It was popular with people, but not adopted, so that the Royal Mint had to publicly disown them.

Well look at that...

I paid 16 euro for 2 of those penny's.

Only one with the extra E.

Whas that a good deal?

How rare would you call this specific coin?

Those penny's are not the coins I normally buy but they looked very interesting to me.

Best regards,

Hi dutchgreener.

Yes i think we can say that was a good deal.

Well done and welcome to the forum.

[Dutchgreener 1]

Thanks John and PGA,

I have read somewhere that people slab coins in the UK at a specialised slabbingcompany wich is not NGC or PCGS.

This would be better for the market but I personaly preffer NGC and PCGS because I know them.

Sending this coin to the Londcoins auctionhouse would be problematic too I think.

I prefer handig over Coins in person but the UK is just a bit of a long drive

What does everybody think: Just slab it for preservation and then think again about the whole thing? The coin is in a very good state so is it whise to let it slab.

What would you do?

[PWA 1967 2,269]

I would just post it to London coins with a realistic reserve if you want to sell it ,the next auction is December.

Dont think with a model penny the slab would increase the value in the uk although stand to be corrected.

I have just had a quick look on the cgs site and cant find any ,so maybe its not something they grade?

Hopefully someone on here may know.

Good luck i am sure you will make the right decision.

Pete.

[Dutchgreener 1]

Thanks for the input Pete.

More thoughts from other members will be great

Made some more pictures today with the Iphone and a supercheap macro lense.

[Peter 615]

Every coin collector must have a VOC....Take a good look at yourself

[Paulus 1,980]

Thanks for the input Pete.

More thoughts from other members will be great

Made some more pictures today with the Iphone and a supercheap macro lense.

If you want to sell it a London Coins auction is a good option. It's a nice grade and should do well

[Dutchgreener 1]

The Penney is on it's way to PCGS.

I really like the history of this coin and want it to be safe. (I love to handle my coins haha)

Fingers crossed for a good grade

[Nordle11 564]

Keep us updated!

[azda 983]

Whether PCGS are good enough to recognise the variety is another ball game

[Dutchgreener 1]

I understood from the company who sends the coin in that they found the variety in Krause so I hope thats the one? (They are sending the Krause info with the coin)

[Chingford 166]

Krause Unusual world coins page 188 ref X# 10

[TomGoodheart 447]

Nice find Dutch and welcome!

And yeah, for British coins you'll always get a better response on here than coincommunity.